Elizabeth Warren Drank The Kool Aid

[FaithIsFilth]

Well, boil them down, and they're both fairly centrist, especially Trump, but Clinton, too. I happen to lean more to the left, so I'd choose a left-leaning hood ornament before I'd choose a right-leaning hood ornament. But, to tell the truth, I won't be devastated if Trump wins. He's still a New Yorker - still a Democrat in Republican clothes - still essentially a centrist.

Hillary is not left-leaning though. She's a closet Republican. I'm cool with people voting for Hillary because they think she's the lesser of two evils, but I don't think it makes much sense to say that she leans left. I really like how Jill Stein put it. "Putting another Clinton in the White House is only going to make that right wing extremism greater." "So we see these draconian things that Donald Trump is talking about, we actually see Hillary Clinton doing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr09AFDPTpA

[marom1963]

Hillary is not left-leaning though. She's a closet Republican. I'm cool with people voting for Hillary because they think she's the lesser of two evils, but I don't think it makes much sense to say that she leans left. I really like how Jill Stein put it. "Putting another Clinton in the White House is only going to make that right wing extremism greater." "So we see these draconian things that Donald Trump is talking about, we actually see Hillary Clinton doing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr09AFDPTpA

I think that Clinton is a centrist who leans a bit to the left. Trump is a centrist who leans a bit to the right. They're both centrists, as far as I can see. Neither is a joy to the far side of either party.

[Baruch]

Trump has ideals?? :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))  Yeah--if you have it and Trump wants it, it will be his.  His ideal is his bottom line--no matter how he gets it or who he stiffs along  the way--that's why he has 3500 civil laws suits against him--he does not always pay his bills.

The US government doesn't pay its bills (it simply rotates the debt into new debt) ... so they are a perfect match ;-)

Even with the Great Depression, the US didn't get a Left leaning government, FDR was centrist.  The Right was mad at him because they wanted to go full retard like Germany.  There has never been a Left leaning government, or media, in the US ... except in the fevered delusions of the crazy Right.

[Mike Cl]

The US government doesn't pay its bills (it simply rotates the debt into new debt) ... so they are a perfect match ;-)

Even with the Great Depression, the US didn't get a Left leaning government, FDR was centrist.  The Right was mad at him because they wanted to go full retard like Germany.  There has never been a Left leaning government, or media, in the US ... except in the fevered delusions of the crazy Right.

Yeah, and like the govt. he lies about it.  And just about everything else.  Maybe he would be a good fit in DC. 

[stromboli]

I think Trump is a dickhead and Hilary needs to get in shape. We are putting pant suits in the White House. It's a fucking conspiracy. Yes I know she's already been there. Now Bill gets another crack at the interns? The horror!

Lol. Carry on.

[Baruch]

I think Trump is a dickhead and Hilary needs to get in shape. We are putting pant suits in the White House. It's a fucking conspiracy. Yes I know she's already been there. Now Bill gets another crack at the interns? The horror!

Lol. Carry on.

A strawman:  As long as candidate X does Y, which is something I want, I don't care if they engage in orgies or cannibalism in the White House?  Engaging in moral turpitude or financial shenanigans ... will get you to lose your security clearance.  But it is OK for the big guys to do it?  And they know shit that nobody else should know?

For me, Bill and Hillary are Satan incarnate ... but then Shrub and Dick were Satan incarnate too.  I don't know of anything too evil that George HW ever did ... other than statecraft (Nicaragua etc).  Look at how we nearly lost control of the nukes to one of Hillary's campaign contributors.

[trdsf]

I think that Clinton is a centrist who leans a bit to the left. Trump is a centrist who leans a bit to the right. They're both centrists, as far as I can see. Neither is a joy to the far side of either party.

Well, she's certainly been pulled Left by Sanders' candidacy, which is a good thing.  The further she gets from the DLC, the happier I am.

But Trump a centrist?  Oh, hell no.  He's a Trumpist, only and ever.  The only thing he believes in is Donald Trump.  And he's been running as hard to the Right as he can because that's what feeds his ego the most because that's where the cult-of-personality voters are.

[stromboli]

Well, she's certainly been pulled Left by Sanders' candidacy, which is a good thing.  The further she gets from the DLC, the happier I am.

But Trump a centrist?  Oh, hell no.  He's a Trumpist, only and ever.  The only thing he believes in is Donald Trump.  And he's been running as hard to the Right as he can because that's what feeds his ego the most because that's where the cult-of-personality voters are.

I think people trying to label Trump in any way as a typical politician are making a mistake. He isn't anything but a carnival barker, a huckster who looks for ways to advantage himself over others for personal gain. He'll go just as far right as necessary or back to center as necessary to garner votes. Hillary may not be what people want, but she's a bit easier to pin down politically.

[marom1963]

Well, she's certainly been pulled Left by Sanders' candidacy, which is a good thing.  The further she gets from the DLC, the happier I am.

But Trump a centrist?  Oh, hell no.  He's a Trumpist, only and ever.  The only thing he believes in is Donald Trump.  And he's been running as hard to the Right as he can because that's what feeds his ego the most because that's where the cult-of-personality voters are.

I disagree. When it comes to getting down to business, Trump is rational. He just makes a lot of noise before he does so.

[Hydra009]

I disagree. When it comes to getting down to business, Trump is rational. He just makes a lot of noise before he does so.

Donald Trump and rational in the same sentence.  Hooboy...

[Baruch]

Cry all the way to the ballot box.  There aren't any "presidential" candidates ... except rarely and superficially.  And given what we now know, not even FDR would be "presidential" today.  My 20th century favorites were Teddy, Wilson, FDR, Truman and Eisenhower.  The ones in between or since Eisenhower have been midgets.

[trdsf]

When it comes to getting down to business, Trump is rational criminal.

There, fixed that for you.  Certainly when it comes to doing business.

[marom1963]

There, fixed that for you.  Certainly when it comes to doing business.

That hardly separates him from the pack, does it?

[Baruch]

There, fixed that for you.  Certainly when it comes to doing business.

Criminal is the only way to do business.  You would know that if you had ever run one.  The government would strangle every business out of business, if it wasn't self destructive for the government.  Also you can't, as a competitive business, not do shady things, if you are competing with other businesses that are.  Hence the race to the bottom.

[stromboli]

By your fruits ye shall know them..... best single scripture in the bible. Trump's "track record" is one of bad management, egotistical noise making and little concern for anyone but himself. Bankruptcy what, 4 times? In bankruptcy the people you owe money to and are partners with get stiffed. Here's a list:

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html

Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
The Bankruptcies
The Hair
The Marriages
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
The China Connection
Trump Casinos
The Middle East 'Policy'

Use the link and read each category. He is not equipped to be president, period.