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Started by Pipu.Diiding, June 04, 2016, 11:18:34 AM

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Pipu.Diiding

Hi everyone

Im from Singapore.

I've only recently decided the idea of God is ridiculous. I was a devout Muslim. Friends and peers would ask me all kinds of questions and I would know the answers. Thanks to my parent's staunch and strict teachings. Then one day I got to know this boy but they weren't agreeable to my choice for some reason.

But we continued to keep in contact and my parents barred me from it. So every time they found out about it, I'd get beaten up and locked in the house without the key or anyway to contact outsiders until they decided it's time to let me hold a phone again. But since then I was never allowed to meet friends or go out alone.

It went to the extend I could no longer take it anymore and I ran away. This was 2 years ago.

A few months later I lost faith with the Islam God and decided to give Jesus a chance. I didn't really question the logics of the Christian teachings but more of those he chose to carry on his cross. Since a few months ago, for some reason, things got harder, I was always broke. Always had almost no food to eat. Getting a job is hard. Everyday I kept asking God. Speaking in tongues or whatever. I tried. But nothing happened.

So when I was almost homeless, I started questioning God and I still didn't get saved. That's when I started allowing myself to question if Christianity is as logical as 1+1=2.

Alot of things contradicted one another. And I realized, God, whoever it is, whether he exists or not, is selfish and unforgiving, not as they all potray him to be.

I couldn't accept it anymore.

That's when I realized, it is all just fairy tales. It's probably some Harry Potter book written 2,000 years ago that was converted into history by some weirdass Kings or officials then.

Thanks for taking your time to read.
Just sharing my experience. :)
We must question the logic of having an all-knowing/powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.

Mr.Obvious

Welcome to our little band of heathens. I hope your life is in a better phase now.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Mike Cl

Welcome, Pipu.  I, too, hope your life has become easier.  You did not have an easy start to your life it sounds like.  I wish you luck.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Pipu.Diiding

Thank you for the welcome

Things are still quite rough now but I feel like a mouse that escaped from a trap. And instead of blaming something unseeable when something goes wrong, I now understand that I have to look at myself and do something about it myself instead of wait for a miracle to drop in front of me.

There's a quote
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.

At least I have yet to die before realizing my nativity.
We must question the logic of having an all-knowing/powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.

Mike Cl

Pipu, is English your second language? 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

stromboli

Welcome. Some of us have made similar life journeys. Always happy to hear new voices from other places.

aitm

Hi Pipu, welcome. A long time ago I met a nice young man as well. Unfortunately for him, genetics played a most cruel game on him. He had one leg two inches shorter than the other, bad acne, a growth on his neck, yellowed teeth from a childhood illness, and frankly not very good looking on top of already a rather insurmountable challenge of ever finding a partner.

Due to his looks, people generally disliked him and avoided him like a walking plague. His attempts to interact with women were met with sincere horror and rejection. He was lonely, bitter and afraid of what kind of life awaited him.

Still he tried.

He lived above me in an apartment complex and his meager earning at the Waffle House afforded him little more than the rent. He knocked on my door one day with a basket of stuff asking if I would be interested in buying anything so he could pay his electric bill. One of the items was a trophy his father got him for simply trying to run a race.

I threw an extension cord up to his apartment so he could use my electricity for his fridge and TV. I invited him over one night and we drank a good deal of beer. He was such a nice guy trapped in the body of Quasimodo.

I shared my thoughts on religion and he let loose with how far he was willing to go to find relief from what nature had cursed him with.

"If God existed, I would not be such a ugly hideous human being……and if the Devil existed, I would not be such a ugly hideous human being"

A human so fraught with misery that he was willing, eager and fully intent of using the power of the devil to grant him a life worth living, and for all the talk about how easily the devil will come to you in moments of "little faith", he never came to the aid of one desperately seeking him.

Of all the things that have driven me past the stupidity, ignorance and sheer foolishness of religion, that one night stands as much a sure sign of proof as all the histories of religions that humanity has waved a flag for and later trampled upon.

Welcome
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Youssuf Ramadan

Quote from: Pipu.Diiding on June 04, 2016, 11:45:48 AM
There's a quote
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.

I like that!! Much truth right there. Welcome!   :great:

Pipu.Diiding

Quote from: Mike Cl on June 04, 2016, 10:03:50 PM
Pipu, is English your second language?

Nope. It's my first language. I think I made a spelling error there. I meant naivety. XD
We must question the logic of having an all-knowing/powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.

Pipu.Diiding

Quote from: aitm on June 05, 2016, 08:32:45 AM
Hi Pipu, welcome. A long time ago I met a nice young man as well. Unfortunately for him, genetics played a most cruel game on him. He had one leg two inches shorter than the other, bad acne, a growth on his neck, yellowed teeth from a childhood illness, and frankly not very good looking on top of already a rather insurmountable challenge of ever finding a partner.

Due to his looks, people generally disliked him and avoided him like a walking plague. His attempts to interact with women were met with sincere horror and rejection. He was lonely, bitter and afraid of what kind of life awaited him.

Still he tried.

He lived above me in an apartment complex and his meager earning at the Waffle House afforded him little more than the rent. He knocked on my door one day with a basket of stuff asking if I would be interested in buying anything so he could pay his electric bill. One of the items was a trophy his father got him for simply trying to run a race.

I threw an extension cord up to his apartment so he could use my electricity for his fridge and TV. I invited him over one night and we drank a good deal of beer. He was such a nice guy trapped in the body of Quasimodo.

I shared my thoughts on religion and he let loose with how far he was willing to go to find relief from what nature had cursed him with.

"If God existed, I would not be such a ugly hideous human being……and if the Devil existed, I would not be such a ugly hideous human being"

A human so fraught with misery that he was willing, eager and fully intent of using the power of the devil to grant him a life worth living, and for all the talk about how easily the devil will come to you in moments of "little faith", he never came to the aid of one desperately seeking him.

Of all the things that have driven me past the stupidity, ignorance and sheer foolishness of religion, that one night stands as much a sure sign of proof as all the histories of religions that humanity has waved a flag for and later trampled upon.

Welcome

I completely threw the idea of religion when I realized no matter which religion it is, god is cruel. In the case of the Christian god, seriously, if the Jesus dude died for our sins and we are now forgiven of our sins, why didn't God just rapture us now, make our bodies healthy without having to fear death and just deposit money into our bank account so we can stop thinking about the  world. That's what saving is about. But noooo.. God just left us here dwelling, dying to survive and all these widows and orphans suffering, people in Somalia and Africa have to see their loved ones die everyday even though they exalt Jesus's Almighty name.

Even if God existed, he is worse than the devil.
So then, I decided to dish out all thoughts of faith and concentrate on my own efforts to make it and survive.
We must question the logic of having an all-knowing/powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.

SGOS

Quote from: Pipu.Diiding on June 04, 2016, 11:18:34 AM
So when I was almost homeless, I started questioning God and I still didn't get saved. That's when I started allowing myself to question if Christianity is as logical as 1+1=2.

I suppose some people seek out another religion because the glaring nonsense of their own religion becomes overwhelmingly apparent, and I recommend looking into other religions.  Although the only logical outcome is to realize that all religions begin and end with nonsense.  Eventually, I tried to fashion sort of a religion of my own that did no more than allow for the existence of some godlike entity, perhaps a vaporous god that permeated everything with an invisible undetectable quality.  Well, la dee da.  That might be less nonsensical, but it's every bit as pointless.

Pipu.Diiding

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Quote from: SGOS on June 06, 2016, 06:53:01 AM
I suppose some people seek out another religion because the glaring nonsense of their own religion becomes overwhelmingly apparent, and I recommend looking into other religions.  Although the only logical outcome is to realize that all religions begin and end with nonsense.  Eventually, I tried to fashion sort of a religion of my own that did no more than allow for the existence of some godlike entity, perhaps a vaporous god that permeated everything with an invisible undetectable quality.  Well, la dee da.  That might be less nonsensical, but it's every bit as pointless.

I went throught that phase for a while too. And then I thought back on all "miracles" that happened to me, I realized I didn't need a God for it to happen, all that happened then was explainable and possible even without a god interfering with my life. If God really existed, within those 25 wasted years of my life when I believed in God, I would've at least managed to receive or feel the love from my mother. But nothing happened. Which is one of the things I mainly prayed for and asked for and worked on when I was living with her amongst other things I went through.
We must question the logic of having an all-knowing/powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.

FaithIsFilth

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Quote from: aitm on June 05, 2016, 08:32:45 AM
"If God existed, I would not be such a ugly hideous human being……and if the Devil existed, I would not be such a ugly hideous human being"

A human so fraught with misery that he was willing, eager and fully intent of using the power of the devil to grant him a life worth living, and for all the talk about how easily the devil will come to you in moments of "little faith", he never came to the aid of one desperately seeking him.
Haha I tried that when I was 15. I had some really bad acne and asked god for months to take it away. I remembered my parents telling me how Satan grants wishes too if one is willing to turn on god, so I said what the hell and gave it a shot. I said a prayer and offered up my soul. Nothing happened, and I realized there was another thing my parents were wrong about. For the next couple of years, I was an atheist, but on the fence about the afterlife/ reincarnation stuff. I then discovered Dawkins and saw a video of his that smacked me upside the head, and I then realized that this life is all there is.

Pipu.Diiding

Quote from: FaithIsFilth on June 06, 2016, 12:01:06 PM
Haha I tried that when I was 15. I had some really bad acne and asked god for months to take it away. I remembered my parents telling me how Satan grants wishes too if one is willing to turn on god, so I said what the hell and gave it a shot. I said a prayer and offered up my soul. Nothing happened, and I realized there was another thing my parents were wrong about. For the next couple of years, I was an atheist, but on the fence about the afterlife/ reincarnation stuff. I then discovered Dawkins and saw a video of his that smacked me upside the head, and I then realized that this life is all there is.

This life is all there is:
Makes more sense than believing there is an afterlife where we will spend eternity in hell or heaven.
We must question the logic of having an all-knowing/powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.

gentle_dissident

Quote from: FaithIsFilth on June 06, 2016, 12:01:06 PM
Satan grants wishes too if one is willing to turn on god, so I said what the hell and gave it a shot. I said a prayer and offered up my soul. Nothing happened, and I realized there was another thing my parents were wrong about. For the next couple of years, I was an atheist

See, atheists really are secret Satanists.

QuoteSatanists are atheists. We see the universe as being indifferent to us, and so all morals and values are subjective human constructions.
http://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-beliefs.php