Bill Nye's Solution For Defeating Bad Ideas

[SGOS]

He doesn't respond with "We'll see", insinuating that he believes it might be a reasonable thing.  He responds with "We'll see what happens", which seems to be indicating that he thinks it may be viable, but in context he asked if it would have been appropriate for the people at Enron or in the tobacco industry to have been jailed for actively spreading disinformation to protect their bottom lines.  It's a whole lot different when you're talking about a corporation purposely lying to the public, in some cases leading directly to an increased death toll, in order to make more profits.  In the two cases he mentioned, yes, people at Enron and in the tobacco industry should have been jailed.  Corporate leaders and experts who lied in exchange for fat paychecks should be in prison right now.

"We will see what happens," is not unreasonable in the context of "who knows what congress or the courts will do?"  Will they hold someone responsible for loss of life, loss of home, loss of job?  The effects of global warming will not be felt equally across the board.  Some places will get floods, others draught, and some won't be affected, at least not right away.  As the meteorological chaos progresses, the negative effects will be felt to varying degrees, by different individuals, along a timeline, and Congress will be looking to blame, because that's what they do.

But it will be a challenge to hold the biggest offenders responsible.  First, Congress fails to pass laws that would prevent them from polluting the environment with carbon dioxide.  Even polluters that put toxic chemicals into the ground water, are seldom punished.  And our lawmakers favor them by delaying any legislative remedies.  They are being handed a pass, a get out of jail free card.  If laws were passed, offenders would stop this form of pollution, and yes, they might even go out of business.  But it's going to be hard to punish offenders who, while acting unethically, are operating entirely within the law during the polluting phase.

But as Nye points out, "we will see what happens," because that's all that can happen, given that we have absolutely no way of predicting the future, or people's, or Congress' reaction to any given crisis.  We can only wait and see.

[FaithIsFilth]

What's phony about Bill Nye?  Seems to me he was toning down the criminal aspect of the issue a bit--he did not leap to support the jailing of the climate change deniers.   The creator of the video is putting words into his mouth.  Poorly done video from my view.

I know the video was poorly done, and it's by a climate denier. That was the only video of the interview I could find. That's why I told people to watch Nye's part and skip the rest. I did overreact making this thread though, without completely understanding what Nye was saying.

[chill98]

I know the video was poorly done, and it's by a climate denier. ...
I did overreact making this thread though, without completely understanding what Nye was saying.

I don't think you over-reacted at all. 

[morano on Kennedy].. said that the climate deniers, his words, and energy CEO's belong at the Hague with 3 square meals and a cot with all the other war criminals.  What is your thought on that; do you think some of the rhetoric on your side, as I'm sure both sides, do you think some of the rhetoric on your side gets too carried away... whats your thought on jailing skeptics as war criminals ah..

Nye does not respond to this question rather he deflects, poorly I might add, to Enron (an example of someone breaking actual laws) and cigarette manufactures (of which, none went to jail).

Nye: We'll see what happens. Was it appropriate to jail all the guys from enron?  Nye shrugs.

Morano:Answer me

NYE: Ok right, so we'll see what happens. If...Was it appropriate to jail people from the cigarette industry who insisted this addictive product was not addictive and so on.  And you think about, in these cases, for me as a taxpayer and voter ah, the doubting,  the introduction of this extreme doubt about climate change is affecting my quality of life as a public citizen so I can see where people are very concerned about this and are pursuing criminal investigations as well as, ah, as well as engaging in discussions like this

Then the 'science guy' hand waves the actual question off.  It is irrelevant if he is a tax payer and voter.  So are the climate deniers and energy CEOs.

From Wiki on Nye:
Residence: Los Angeles, California; New York City, New York

I doubt he rides a bicycle between LA and NYC.  He flies, likely 1st class.  Affects his quality of life?  Bullshit.  He doesn't give a thought about quality of life because the PoS has flown out of NYC long before the 'polar vortex' has fucked with his ability to depart JKF or LaGuardia...

Yeah, you were right to ask WtF...

Maybe it is Nye who belongs in the Hague.  He's the 1% living between two of the most expensive cities in america while looking down upon the plebs ....

Edit: Why should one consider Nye belongs in the Hague?  He believes carbon footprints are impacting lives and continues to do so.  That is "with intent".

[Baruch]

I will enjoy watching all the SJW folks donning fig leaves (heaven forbid animal skins) and going vegetarian and walking everywhere.  Can't even use a bicycle, because the metal etc used ... required energy resources.  Then again you can't ride a donkey either, you are denying the right of donkeys to be Consul of Rome (see Caligula).  This is what happens when you turn puritan ... you either kill yourself or kill everyone else.  There are people like this, they are called Jains ... and they live in India.  The more extreme Jains even find clothing to be politically incorrect ;-)

[GrinningYMIR]

I don't think you over-reacted at all. 

Nye does not respond to this question rather he deflects, poorly I might add, to Enron (an example of someone breaking actual laws) and cigarette manufactures (of which, none went to jail).
Then the 'science guy' hand waves the actual question off.  It is irrelevant if he is a tax payer and voter.  So are the climate deniers and energy CEOs.

From Wiki on Nye:
Residence: Los Angeles, California; New York City, New York

I doubt he rides a bicycle between LA and NYC.  He flies, likely 1st class.  Affects his quality of life?  Bullshit.  He doesn't give a thought about quality of life because the PoS has flown out of NYC long before the 'polar vortex' has fucked with his ability to depart JKF or LaGuardia...

Yeah, you were right to ask WtF...

Maybe it is Nye who belongs in the Hague.  He's the 1% living between two of the most expensive cities in america while looking down upon the plebs ....

Edit: Why should one consider Nye belongs in the Hague?  He believes carbon footprints are impacting lives and continues to do so.  That is "with intent".

So are we now advocating throwing anyone with a high paying job in prison? Are we commencing the communist uprising? Down with the proletariat?

The 1% exists but the whole overthrowing and redistributing thing doesn't work. And yeah he's earned his money and buys stuff and flies. He goes all over the continent and sometimes planet. Can't do that unless you use fossil fuels. Which ehs admitted to before


I would argue the point about his sayings but it's been done already. Simply get your head out of the crevice of your ass and you'll see it.

[Baruch]

Obviously someone who noticed the hypocrisy of Mr "I invented the Internet" ;-)  I will believe Al Gore when he stops being a politician ... which is never.

This is the 21st century version of late 20th century environmentalism.  You don't see this among the poor in the Third World.  They have more immediate things to worry about.  This is a meme for the college educated children of the middle and upper class.  Like whether my smart phone is smart enough this week!

[chill98]

So are we now advocating throwing anyone with a high paying job in prison? Are we commencing the communist uprising? Down with the proletariat?

Lemme guess...

you're adhd and proud of it.

[GrinningYMIR]

Lemme guess...

you're adhd and proud of it.

Are you a cunt and proud of it? You certainly seem that way.

[gentle_dissident]

they are called Jains ... and they live in India.  The more extreme Jains even find clothing to be politically incorrect ;-)

I often claim my religious affiliation as Skyclad Jain.

[Baruch]

I often claim my religious affiliation as Skyclad Jain.

Such devotees used to be found at the Mustang Ranch outside of Vegas ;-)

[gentle_dissident]

Such devotees used to be found at the Mustang Ranch outside of Vegas ;-)

Nope, I'm far removed from biker.

[gentle_dissident]

So are we now advocating throwing anyone with a high paying job in prison? Are we commencing the communist uprising? Down with the proletariat?

It's like Baruch seemed to imply, no one wants to jail them because many other people have generally dreamed of being them.

And yeah he's earned his money and buys stuff and flies. He goes all over the continent and sometimes planet. Can't do that unless you use fossil fuels.

Yea, he's probably too old to know about online meetings.

For completeness, here's Bill's personal life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye#Personal_life

[SGOS]

For completeness, here's Bill's personal life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye#Personal_life

Sounds like his true love turned into the marriage from Hell.

[gentle_dissident]

Sounds like his true love turned into the marriage from Hell.

It's at least bizarre.

[Mike Cl]

Such devotees used to be found at the Mustang Ranch outside of Vegas ;-)

That's actually in Carson City.