88% to 12%. Yeouch.
That is what a southern conservative state would do for closet Republican ;-) Many of the votes came from their African-American community ... because they don't trust Jews from Vermont, and they see the former Arkansas First Lady as one of their people (regionally). And they don't mind what Bill was up to before, during or after the White House. Also Bernie's promises don't look like they would ever get past Congress anyway. The African-American leadership knows that the D-leadership will continue to take care of their corrupt little selves (Jesse Jackson types), just like the union leadership got took care of, not their members (schlubs). We will know much more, the day after Super Tuesday, which is only 4 days away!
Bernie is about 20 years too late.
Dropping from that high point now... but it has to hurt.
I believe that Bernie is feeling the Bern tonight...
Quote from: GreatLife on February 27, 2016, 08:19:25 PM
Dropping from that high point now... but it has to hurt.
I believe that Bernie is feeling the Bern tonight...
Personally sad ... Bernie and I are both Jewish, and I have much more politically in common with him than any other candidate, so I would like to seem him nominated. If he hangs on money-wise, all the way to the end, he may yet win, because nationally he leads Hillary. But he has to hold on. There isn't going to be a bandwagon for him to the convention.
I figured HRC would win big here in SC. It's not the end of Sanders, but it's close. To bad Bernie isn't young with dashing good looks, but he may have shaken up part of the Democratic party enough to inspire someone else next election..tough to tell right now.
What I hope is that this hasn't fractured the party so badly that the R's get total control of both chambers of congress, the white house and SCOTUS. If that happens we're all fucked.
I guess it's about time for Trump to 'turn over a new leaf' so he and his $2 hooker wife become born again evangelicals and fall in line with the R's..
Quote from: Nonsensei on February 27, 2016, 07:19:22 PM
88% to 12%. Yeouch.
In terms of delegates: Clinton 39, Sanders 14
So far in the race: Clinton 541, Sanders 84 (2383 to win nomination). Hillary is steadily pulling away. With the South basically hers, I don't see how Sanders can pull it off on super Tuesday... except for divine intervention...
Didn't they have the election last week? Or was that North Carolina?
Democrats are progressive, but conservatively so.
Quote from: Atheon on February 28, 2016, 09:08:40 AM
Didn't they have the election last week? Or was that North Carolina?
Sometimes the R primary is on a different weekend than the D primary.
The gerrymandering of primaries is like that of districts. The South gets its licks in first, not NY, not IL, not CA. FL and TX are South, but a big states.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on February 28, 2016, 08:59:14 AM
In terms of delegates: Clinton 39, Sanders 14
So far in the race: Clinton 541, Sanders 84 (2383 to win nomination). Hillary is steadily pulling away. With the South basically hers, I don't see how Sanders can pull it off on super Tuesday... except for divine intervention...
You are counting super-delegates who have not yet been allocated. Not really fair. If you count only the delegates that have been selected, Bernie gains on the percentages.
The only relevance of Clinton having the support of the super-delegates is if we have a contested convention - something that looks less likely with each passing day. It could also be argued that she has locked down the democratic establishment by goading these super-delegates into supporting her publicly - no doubt that it helps the campaign. This is how Obama beat Clinton back in 2004 - he was the candidate that locked up all the super delegates in that contest.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on February 28, 2016, 08:59:14 AM
In terms of delegates: Clinton 39, Sanders 14
So far in the race: Clinton 541, Sanders 84 (2383 to win nomination). Hillary is steadily pulling away. With the South basically hers, I don't see how Sanders can pull it off on super Tuesday... except for divine intervention...
Yeah but the lions share of Hillary's delegate count are superdelegates, that can change their vote during the convention and probably will if Bernie has the superior number of regular delegates by then.
Regular delegates voting based on the actual will of the people?
Hillary: 93
Sanders: 67
Thats a lot less of a landslide isnt it. The count with the superdelegates included is smoke and mirrors bullshit propagated by people who want to give the impression that the race is already over and Hillary won.
Clinton is going to win... no surprise there. I prefer Sanders but he is just too much of a one-trick pony to get excited over.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 28, 2016, 12:23:23 PM
Clinton is going to win... no surprise there. I prefer Sanders but he is just too much of a one-trick pony to get excited over.
I am starting to lose my faith in America's vote. I can envision a scenario in which Trump beats Clinton in the general election. I really want to be wrong about that.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 28, 2016, 12:25:49 PM
I am starting to lose my faith in America's vote. I can envision a scenario in which Trump beats Clinton in the general election. I really want to be wrong about that.
I can too. He's very popular, and people are excited by him. Hillary is just more of what the Democrats usually offer.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 28, 2016, 12:25:49 PM
I am starting to lose my faith in America's vote. I can envision a scenario in which Trump beats Clinton in the general election. I really want to be wrong about that.
It's a very distinct possibility as: (1) Many Sanders' supporters will either vote for Trump or abstain voting, (2) Trump does better than Clinton with the independent voters. If those two conditions remain as such until next November, Trump wins.
QuoteMany Sanders' supporters will either vote for Trump...
Uhh...
Hmm.
Okay then.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on February 28, 2016, 12:39:13 PM
It's a very distinct possibility as: (1) Many Sanders' supporters will either vote for Trump or abstain voting, (2) Trump does better than Clinton with the independent voters. If those two conditions remain as such until next November, Trump wins.
If Sanders' supporters vote for Trump out of spite, then America totally gets what it deserves. I suspect if Sanders doesn't get the nomination, though, he will spend some time trying to convince his supporters not to do that. That's the sorta guy he seems to be.
I can't think why would Sanders' voters would vote for Trump unless something as stupid as at play Mermaid pointed out. Are they insanely self destructive?
If republicans somehow wins, they are coming with a vengeance America has never seen before. Reagans, Bushes will look like a teddy bear compared to this shit in that scenario. Oh what a nightmare. I swear I'm moving to Australia. I can't even imagine what will happen in the ME.
I have a feeling that it will come down to Hillary vs Trump, which I find very concerning. On one hand, once Trump gets closer to the White House, I think people will wake up and see him for the corrupt and dangerous individual that he is. But on the other hand, Hillary isn't so innocent either, so people will probably choose based on who they think is the lesser of two evils. There's a very good chance that Trump will win in this situation. Because he is so recognizable, and the media gives him so much attention, he basically has the advantages of being the incumbent without being the incumbent. Even unpopular Presidents are reelected just because they are more recognizable.
I thought Ted Cruz have a better chance than Turmp. Not that so different, but may be not this uncouth and batshit crazy.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 28, 2016, 03:14:45 PM
I thought Ted Cruz have a better chance than Turmp. Not that so different, but may be not this uncouth and batshit crazy.
Ted Cruz is at least as crazy as Trump... if not more so. If we are going "lesser of two greater evils"... I would probably take Trump over Cruz. The fact that he is a Senator from Texas should tell you all you need to know about how brainfucked he is.
Trump has seized upon the base fear of not just whites but many people frustrated with politicians who have used the system to become wealthy and enhance theirs friends wealth. He is speaking to that fear, loud and proud and unapologetic and peeps be loving someone who is not dancing around a pole. When Trump called out a fat guy for asking about welfare he hit a frayed nerve in mainstream america, get the lazy fat fucks off of welfare.
I suspect this guy is going to all the way, unless something comes along to derail him. And I don't think he is as far whacko as some believe. He has been given his wealth and found ways to lose it and re-grow it using the system. I image he fully understands greasing the palms of who he needs to further his investments. He is probably far better at being a politician behind the screen than in front of it, like most. I think Trumps undoing if he makes it into the WH will be his unwillingness to allow anyone else to get the credit for any good ideas.
Quote from: aitm on February 28, 2016, 03:30:37 PM
Trump has seized upon the base fear of not just whites but many people frustrated with politicians who have used the system to become wealthy and enhance theirs friends wealth. He is speaking to that fear, loud and proud and unapologetic and peeps be loving someone who is not dancing around a pole.
You are desrcibing Erdogan and how he came to power.
Quote from: Blackleaf on February 28, 2016, 02:14:55 PM
I have a feeling that it will come down to Hillary vs Trump, which I find very concerning. On one hand, once Trump gets closer to the White House, I think people will wake up and see him for the corrupt and dangerous individual that he is. But on the other hand, Hillary isn't so innocent either, so people will probably choose based on who they think is the lesser of two evils. There's a very good chance that Trump will win in this situation. Because he is so recognizable, and the media gives him so much attention, he basically has the advantages of being the incumbent without being the incumbent. Even unpopular Presidents are reelected just because they are more recognizable.
I've thought from the beginning Trump has real shot at the White House. There is a sizable group of people who simply hate Clinton. My husband is voting Trump and obviously a lot of other people are doing so.
Trump's victories aren't mysterious if you understand why people are angryhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/24/donald-trump-victory-nevada-caucus-voter-
... As tacky and thuggish as it might be, Trump plays the hero to people that the wise warriors of the system have abandoned. He’s the ultimate Gary Stu character: a billionaire beholden to no one and able to abuse every disingenuous and pettifogging remora latched headfirst on the nation and sucking upward.
And as long as people can enjoy the elbow-throwing wish-fulfillment of watching him in action, most of the rest doesn’t matter to them â€" not the bombast, not the war-mongering, not the unfeasibility of even his signature promises and certainly not the consequences if he keeps them. If the system is already so broken that it abandoned you, its preservation is not your concern. Hell, burning it down might be what you want most.
Anger has a clarity all its own. It renders most detail extraneous, and it animates like nothing else. It is not to be underestimated, and, at this point, we will probably have to wait until November to find out if it truly has been.
Jesus. I am really scared to death. What the fuck is going to happen if he becomes the commander in chief? Seriously.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 28, 2016, 04:16:05 PM
Jesus. I am really scared to death. What the fuck is going to happen if he becomes the commander in chief? Seriously.
So am I. I have no idea.
We are going to rob a bank. And buy and colonise an island in the Southerm Hemisphere, name it AF. It will be a some sort of commune. We'll live in little huts, do everything in turn and die peacefully from alcohol and dope enjoying the primitive life while the world is burning down bloody.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 28, 2016, 04:25:27 PM
So am I. I have no idea.
We are going to rob a bank. And buy and colonise an island in the Southerm Hemisphere, name it AF. It will be a some sort of commune. We'll live in little huts, do everything in turn and die peacefully from alcohol and dope enjoying the primitive life while the world is burning down bloody.
You got my vote. Hell I only got 25 years let anyway and hopefully most of that is in a relative drunken stupor so…..yeah.
I've wondered what a Trump presidency would be like too, but I'm not terrified by it, at least not yet. If he gets the nomination, the GOP will try to turn him their cause, as they have the other GOP presidents. I have a feeling they won't, and I don't think Trump will turn middle of the road as a moderate Republican. I can't verify this now. It just doesn't seem like Trump. My guess is that he will remain Trump, and point at Congress for his lack of accomplishments. Trump looks more to me like an independent who chose to run as a Republican, because that offered him the best chance of fulfilling his personal goals. Democrats in congress will try to hamstring him, as will the Tea Party and the religious right. So I'm predicting another do little president with big ideas but little backing, except from the voters, who will eventually sour on him. It won't be much different from what we have now, but SNL might be more interesting to watch.
I fear Ted Cruz more than Trump. Regardless that he has channeled the anger of most voters, giving him a shot at POTUS, Trump's favorite line is that he'll make a deal. In hindsight, deal means compromise, but that word is dirty to the Republican base, so Trump is getting away with it what no other would. He also changes his mind frequently, not tying himself to too many promises he won't be able to deliver. He's going to build THE wall, bring back jobs from China, beef up the armed forces, and take care of the veterans. I don't think that is in any way scary. Hey, there was worse. Anyone remembers W?
Build a wall not scary... Right...
Quote from: Shiranu on February 28, 2016, 05:43:11 PM
Build a wall not scary... Right...
More absurd than scary, I think. The American Brotherhood of Bricklayers will be supporting him, however.
A former CIA director, has already given the green-light for a Turkey-like military coup if Trump is elected. That is what the Deep State just said ... a quick trip to Dallas, so what is more important, is the VP that Trump chooses. Will that be the CIA/DoD double agent? George HW and Dick seemed to be that kind of plant.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/02/huge_black_margin_of_support_powered_hillarys_south_carolina_primary_win_.html
The problem I see is the two camps, HRC and Sanders splitting the party where Sanders supporters having so much hatred towards HRC and visa versa. It's irrational, but people don't vote the party line much anymore. There are tons of fence sitters who tout their "independent" credentials which amounts to exactly dick.
Now me? I'm a Democrat so I'm going to support whoever the nominee is regardless if it's Sanders or HRC because if there's one thing I utterly loathe is a fucking rube picking the SCOTUS nominees with a rube congress.
I'd prefer Sanders, but on the other hand I think HRC stands a better chance at this point and she also knows where the bodies are buried in congress and through the state department. As Shiranu pointed out Sanders has become such a one trick pony focusing on just economics and pushing an agenda that has little to no chance of flying past congress.
I like Sanders, but his weaknesses are killing him. I hate to say it, but only blaming the billionaire class doesn't really cut it.
People who think the black vote is going to get anyone elected in the general election are hoping unicorns will land in the white house. The truth of the matter is they represent about 13% of the electorate which in a state race might mean something, but in a national race is doesn't. The turnout is terrible most years anyway.
I read where so many people want to pin the democrats hopes on the latino vote, but the same holds true there. The demographics may be changing, but the actual amount of people who bother to vote has barely budged and top that off with the rubes who want to continually find reasons for disqualifying people from voting and the turnout is even smaller.
Nobody gets elected on what we wish would happen, they get elected on what IS happening.
The Southern border of the US nearly 2000 miles (3200 km). A little more than 10 % of US population (34 million US residents) are Mexican Americans or descendents. The undocumented US population is 11 million. And 60 % of them are Mexicans which makes more than 6.5 million people. More than 40 million people.
Can anyone imagine how long would it take the construction of that wall, if it became a real project and what would happen just during that constructon alone and afterwards and how would that radicalise Mexican-Americans?
Anyone read his site?
https://www.donaldjdrumpf.com/
Read his website? Everything on the Internet is lies ;-) No, I don't think a wall can be built. It has already been tried twice ... and failed ... because "lowest bidder" problems. That is how everything in the government is done here. The I in MIC, when it is Industrial not Intelligence ... is totally crooked, shameless ... see F35. This country is a flaming sack of shit on everyone else's porch ;-)) ... we keep ringing the bell, and the neighbors keep trying to stomp out the fire. Hasn't that joke gotten old yet?
I don't have any problem myself with immigrants to the US ... when 100 million Chinese come, they will kick out the Mexicans anyway. Then it will be Mao jackets, bicycles and fried rice for everyone!
If Bernie had come along 20 years ago, I might still be a Democrat. I feel so sorry for those who stayed with the Clintons-are-gods party ... not!
Quote from: Baruch on February 29, 2016, 07:01:59 AM
Read his website? Everything on the Internet is lies ;-) No, I don't think a wall can be built. It has already been tried twice ... and failed ...
Maybe instead of a wall, we could dig a ditch. Big savings, right there.
Minefield?
Quote from: Baruch on February 28, 2016, 10:52:21 PM
A former CIA director, has already given the green-light for a Turkey-like military coup if Trump is elected. That is what the Deep State just said ... a quick trip to Dallas, so what is more important, is the VP that Trump chooses. Will that be the CIA/DoD double agent? George HW and Dick seemed to be that kind of plant.
Military coup in the US? What are you drinking, honey?
Do they mean a sniper? Isn't that the American style coup for presidents?
Quote from: SGOS on February 29, 2016, 07:08:09 AM
Maybe instead of a wall, we could dig a ditch. Big savings, right there.
I'm pretty sure he will ask the Israelis to build it. They have lots of experience:
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/josephpalazzo/wall.jpg) (http://s243.photobucket.com/user/josephpalazzo/media/wall.jpg.html)
Quote from: josephpalazzo on February 29, 2016, 07:40:33 AM
I'm pretty sure he will ask the Israelis to build it. They have lots of experience:
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/josephpalazzo/wall.jpg) (http://s243.photobucket.com/user/josephpalazzo/media/wall.jpg.html)
Big woop. They dig tunnels. Can you imagine the cost of a wall that big? Let Donald pay for it. Israelis don't work for free.
Quote from: stromboli on February 29, 2016, 10:54:47 AM
Big woop. They dig tunnels. Can you imagine the cost of a wall that big? Let Donald pay for it. Israelis don't work for free.
Haven't you heard, Mexico will pay for it. BTW, tunnels can be detected with sensors - and yes, the Israelis have used them in Gaza to detect those tunnels.
Rumors abound now that many of the GOP, particularly the Tea party, will vote third party if Trump wins the nomination. That's good for the Democrats.
The Tea Party used to vote Third Party, they voted for Gov. Wallace in 1968 ;-)
Quote from: SGOS on February 29, 2016, 07:08:09 AM
Maybe instead of a wall, we could dig a ditch. Big savings, right there.
Alas, when stuck in a ditch, things get worse if you continue digging ;-p
Quote from: pr126 on February 29, 2016, 07:17:28 AM
Minefield?
We have a very good minefield already ... called Congress ;-)
Mexico should build a wall to keep the Gringos out!
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 29, 2016, 07:22:44 AM
Military coup in the US? What are you drinking, honey?
Do they mean a sniper? Isn't that the American style coup for presidents?
I am not an ex-CIA director ... he said it, not me. This is "messaging" ... if you get to the White House, you will do what every President has done since 1963 ... obey the MIC or visit Dallas. The British Mob already did that to the new Labor head. In honor of Capitalism, if that happens, the R-party should auction off the right to shoot him ... to the highest bidding D-person who hates him ... what they probably did 53 years ago.
Like any politician running for public office, Trump holds some positions I agree with and some that I don't (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump). As for his behavior in this election, I think it's pretty clear that he's playing to the audience and either doesn't believe much of what he's saying, or greatly exaggerates his actual views.
Given his history, I cannot believe that this man isn't calculating most if not all of his moves. He's making all the right noises to get press coverage, and saying all the right things to get the conservative base on his side. If he gets nominated and goes to general election as the Republican Candidate, he can then mellow out to attract independents while still using enough rhetoric to keep the conservatives with him; and I suspect this is exactly what he'll do, given the chance. Worst case scenario, he may continue as an independent and divide the base so that the Republicans can't win; this would result in a likely win for the Democrats and make conservatives all the more desperate to unite behind Trump or someone he supports in 2020.
With regard for Bernie, I have to agree with others' sentiment in this thread: he's too much of a one-trick pony to be competitive in the long run.