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Started by Nonsensei, February 27, 2016, 07:19:22 PM

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Shiranu

#15
February 28, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
QuoteMany Sanders' supporters will either vote for Trump...

Uhh...

Hmm.

Okay then.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Mermaid

#16
February 28, 2016, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: josephpalazzo on February 28, 2016, 12:39:13 PM
It's a very distinct possibility as: (1) Many Sanders' supporters will either vote for Trump or abstain voting, (2) Trump does better than Clinton with the independent voters. If those two conditions remain as such until next November, Trump wins.
If Sanders' supporters vote for Trump out of spite, then America totally gets what it deserves. I suspect if Sanders doesn't get the nomination, though, he will spend some time trying to convince his supporters not to do that. That's the sorta guy he seems to be.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

drunkenshoe

#17
February 28, 2016, 01:31:18 PM
I can't think why would Sanders' voters would vote for Trump unless something as stupid as at play Mermaid pointed out. Are they insanely self destructive? 

If republicans somehow wins, they are coming with a vengeance America has never seen before. Reagans, Bushes will look like a teddy bear compared to this shit in that scenario. Oh what a nightmare.  I swear I'm moving to Australia. I can't even imagine what will happen in the ME.
"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

Blackleaf

#18
February 28, 2016, 02:14:55 PM
I have a feeling that it will come down to Hillary vs Trump, which I find very concerning. On one hand, once Trump gets closer to the White House, I think people will wake up and see him for the corrupt and dangerous individual that he is. But on the other hand, Hillary isn't so innocent either, so people will probably choose based on who they think is the lesser of two evils. There's a very good chance that Trump will win in this situation. Because he is so recognizable, and the media gives him so much attention, he basically has the advantages of being the incumbent without being the incumbent. Even unpopular Presidents are reelected just because they are more recognizable.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

drunkenshoe

#19
February 28, 2016, 03:14:45 PM
I thought Ted Cruz have a better chance than Turmp. Not that so different, but may be not this uncouth and batshit crazy.
"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

Shiranu

#20
February 28, 2016, 03:30:01 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 28, 2016, 03:14:45 PM
I thought Ted Cruz have a better chance than Turmp. Not that so different, but may be not this uncouth and batshit crazy.

Ted Cruz is at least as crazy as Trump... if not more so. If we are going "lesser of two greater evils"... I would probably take Trump over Cruz. The fact that he is a Senator from Texas should tell you all you need to know about how brainfucked he is.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

aitm

#21
February 28, 2016, 03:30:37 PM
Trump has seized upon the base fear of not just whites but many people frustrated with politicians who have used the system to become wealthy and enhance theirs friends wealth. He is speaking to that fear, loud and proud and unapologetic and peeps be loving someone who is not dancing around a pole. When Trump called out a fat guy for asking about welfare he hit a frayed nerve in mainstream america, get the lazy fat fucks off of welfare.

I suspect this guy is going to all the way, unless something comes along to derail him. And I don't think he is as far whacko as some believe. He has been given his wealth and found ways to lose it and re-grow it using the system. I image he fully understands greasing the palms of who he needs to further his investments. He is probably far better at being a politician behind the screen than in front of it, like most. I think Trumps undoing if he makes it into the WH will be his unwillingness to allow anyone else to get the credit  for any good ideas.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

drunkenshoe

#22
February 28, 2016, 03:47:38 PM
Quote from: aitm on February 28, 2016, 03:30:37 PM
Trump has seized upon the base fear of not just whites but many people frustrated with politicians who have used the system to become wealthy and enhance theirs friends wealth. He is speaking to that fear, loud and proud and unapologetic and peeps be loving someone who is not dancing around a pole.

You are desrcibing Erdogan and how he came to power. 

"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

GSOgymrat

#23
February 28, 2016, 04:01:39 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on February 28, 2016, 02:14:55 PM
I have a feeling that it will come down to Hillary vs Trump, which I find very concerning. On one hand, once Trump gets closer to the White House, I think people will wake up and see him for the corrupt and dangerous individual that he is. But on the other hand, Hillary isn't so innocent either, so people will probably choose based on who they think is the lesser of two evils. There's a very good chance that Trump will win in this situation. Because he is so recognizable, and the media gives him so much attention, he basically has the advantages of being the incumbent without being the incumbent. Even unpopular Presidents are reelected just because they are more recognizable.

I've thought from the beginning Trump has real shot at the White House. There is a sizable group of people who simply hate Clinton. My husband is voting Trump and obviously a lot of other people are doing so.


Trump's victories aren't mysterious if you understand why people are angry

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/24/donald-trump-victory-nevada-caucus-voter-

... As tacky and thuggish as it might be, Trump plays the hero to people that the wise warriors of the system have abandoned. He’s the ultimate Gary Stu character: a billionaire beholden to no one and able to abuse every disingenuous and pettifogging remora latched headfirst on the nation and sucking upward.

And as long as people can enjoy the elbow-throwing wish-fulfillment of watching him in action, most of the rest doesn’t matter to them â€" not the bombast, not the war-mongering, not the unfeasibility of even his signature promises and certainly not the consequences if he keeps them. If the system is already so broken that it abandoned you, its preservation is not your concern. Hell, burning it down might be what you want most.

Anger has a clarity all its own. It renders most detail extraneous, and it animates like nothing else. It is not to be underestimated, and, at this point, we will probably have to wait until November to find out if it truly has been.

Mermaid

#24
February 28, 2016, 04:16:05 PM
Jesus. I am really scared to death. What the fuck is going to happen if he becomes the commander in chief? Seriously.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

drunkenshoe

#25
February 28, 2016, 04:25:27 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on February 28, 2016, 04:16:05 PM
Jesus. I am really scared to death. What the fuck is going to happen if he becomes the commander in chief? Seriously.

So am I. I have no idea.

We are going to rob a bank. And buy and colonise an island in the Southerm Hemisphere, name it AF. It will be a some sort of commune. We'll live in little huts, do everything in turn and die peacefully from alcohol and dope enjoying the primitive life while the world is burning down bloody. 
"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

aitm

#26
February 28, 2016, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 28, 2016, 04:25:27 PM
So am I. I have no idea.

We are going to rob a bank. And buy and colonise an island in the Southerm Hemisphere, name it AF. It will be a some sort of commune. We'll live in little huts, do everything in turn and die peacefully from alcohol and dope enjoying the primitive life while the world is burning down bloody. 

You got my vote. Hell I only got 25 years let anyway and hopefully most of that is in a relative drunken stupor so…..yeah.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

SGOS

#27
February 28, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
I've wondered what a Trump presidency would be like too, but I'm not terrified by it, at least not yet.  If he gets the nomination, the GOP will try to turn him their cause, as they have the other GOP presidents.  I have a feeling they won't, and I don't think Trump will turn middle of the road as a moderate Republican.  I can't verify this now.  It just doesn't seem like Trump.  My guess is that he will remain Trump, and point at Congress for his lack of accomplishments.  Trump looks more to me like an independent who chose to run as a Republican, because that offered him the best chance of fulfilling his personal goals.  Democrats in congress will try to hamstring him, as will the Tea Party and the religious right.  So I'm predicting another do little president with big ideas but little backing, except from the voters, who will eventually sour on him.  It won't be much different from what we have now, but SNL might be more interesting to watch.

josephpalazzo

#28
February 28, 2016, 05:35:54 PM
I fear Ted Cruz more than Trump. Regardless that he has channeled the anger of most voters, giving him a shot at POTUS, Trump's favorite line is that he'll make a deal. In hindsight, deal means compromise, but that word is dirty to the Republican base, so Trump is getting away with it what no other would. He also changes his mind frequently, not tying himself to too many promises he won't be able to deliver. He's going to build THE wall, bring back jobs from China, beef up the armed forces, and take care of the veterans. I don't think that is in any way scary. Hey, there was worse. Anyone remembers W?

Shiranu

#29
February 28, 2016, 05:43:11 PM
Build a wall not scary... Right...
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur
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