http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/north-carolina-church-flies-christian-flag-above-us-flag-saying-god-is-first/
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4341779426001/north-carolina-church-to-fly-christian-flag-over-old-glory/?playlist_id=930909787001#sp=show-clips
This was trending on my facebook and people seem to be making a big deal about it.... To be honest, I don't see why or really care. It is a church after all and the church's flagpole. They can fly whatever flags in whatever order they want.
But other than that, I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. I'm anti religion, but I'm also anti nationalism so it seems like this is being made in to a whole lot of nonsensical drama.
While it's not a big deal to me, it is part of the "flag code" for the United States flag to fly bellow no other. I feel these people would probably be offended if the flag was stepped on, burnt, not folded properly, whatever... but to fly another flag above it is just as disrespectful. So it is only a matter of consistency that annoys me.
Just wait until an Islamic flag is flown over the American flag above a Mexican flag and gay flag. :lol:
Quote from: Shiranu on July 07, 2015, 10:28:05 PM
While it's not a big deal to me, it is part of the "flag code" for the United States flag to fly bellow no other. I feel these people would probably be offended if the flag was stepped on, burnt, not folded properly, whatever... but to fly another flag above it is just as disrespectful. So it is only a matter of consistency that annoys me.
Well, to be fair, all those Old Navy t-shirts and flag bikinis also fall into that category, along with athletes draping flags around their shoulders like towels to celebrate victories and so many other examples. It's easy to be inconsistent if the action makes people feel good I guess. :)
Intent matters, and symbolism communicates intent. So I am offended by a church flag higher than a national flag ... but also in the US, I am offended by a US flag in the sanctuary, because of "separation". It is a little less offensive for a church to fly a US flag outside for the same reason. The usual intent of flying a church flag with a national flag, and with the national flag lower than the church flag is ... the church is in rebellion against its privileged tax status ... and perhaps they are rejecting certain SCOTUS decisions ;-)
The church is just being dickish because they don't have enough control over the government and the country.
Quote from: SGOS on July 08, 2015, 07:13:12 AM
The church is just being dickish because they don't have enough control over the government and the country.
pretty much, this and along with the videos of all this conservative Christians bitching about how the government is now the enemy and against god, all this is just a bunch of juvenile minded old farts who can't adapt to the modern world, so react like scared old cronies from the 1920s.
Wut the fuck is a "Christian flag"?
I know the Vatican has a flag. I know the Episcopal church has a flag. As a kid I visited my grandparents' Lutheran church, and while in England I attended Church of England schools, but never noticed flags. I've traveled all across Europe and the Americas, and never noticed a flag that was a consistent Christian flag.
Short of wanting a theocracy they're pretty much pissing in the wind. I really could care less if they have the flag upside down and backwards with a dildo sewn in the middle. Let them piss off everyone else and alienate even more people who might think of attending church.
Quote from: Atheon on July 08, 2015, 09:17:29 AM
Wut the fuck is a "Christian flag"?
I grew up going to Church of Christ and when I was 16 my aunt got me a job at a Christian bookstore. I had never heard of the Christian flag until then, but evangelicals love that shit. There's even a Christian pledge to both the Bible and the Christian flag. Honest to "God." :D
QuoteI pledge allegiance to the Christian Flag and to the Savior for whose Kingdom it stands. One Savior, crucified, risen, and coming again with life and liberty to all who believe.
QuoteI pledge allegiance to the Bible, God's Holy Word, I will make it a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path and will hide its words in my heart that I might not sin against God.
Since when is there a Christian flag?
Quote from: Sal1981 on July 08, 2015, 11:46:31 AM
Since when is there a Christian flag?
Since 1897, designed in New York. But anybody or any organization can have a flag. You can design one for yourself if you are so inclined.
Christians just jelly cause their flag isn't as fabulous as the gay communities.
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Quote from: TomFoolery on July 08, 2015, 11:44:34 AM
I pledge allegiance to the Bible, God's Holy Word, I will make it a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path and will hide its words in my heart that I might not sin against God.
King James wording is strange. It use to drive me nuts when I was a kid. Why does the Bible written so funny? "A lamp unto my feet?" I never owned a lamp for my feet. Why would I want to light up my feet? So people could see my feet in the dark? If you were walking along a road at night with another guy, and you said, "Gee I wish I had a lamp unto my feet," he would think you were nuts.
Years ago, my dad gave me a new testament written in modern English. It still had some strange phrases now and then, but for the most part it was a lot easier to understand. Of course, a lot of people don't care about understanding the Bible. They just use it to clutch close to their heart when walking out of the church in front of a lot of other people clutching their Bibles.
It has always amazed me how people react emotionally to symbolism, like it is the real thing it represents. This is the same with words. I'm convinced that mankind became crazy when language was invented. Understand lul? :eek: :biggrin2:
Evidently they oppose the part of the pledge of allegiance that mentions justice and liberty for all. . Just more satanic liberal mumbo jumbo. .
Quote from: Solitary on July 08, 2015, 12:50:00 PM
It has always amazed me how people react emotionally to symbolism, like it is the real thing it represents. This is the same with words. I'm convinced that mankind became crazy when language was invented. Understand lul? :eek: :biggrin2:
Language is a two edged sword. While it's an evolutionary advantage, it's also the source of a lot of logical fallacies. Perhaps all logical fallacies. Take the Fallacy of Equivocation, for example. That fallacy could not exist without language. So while language paves the way to greater knowledge, it also aids in muddled thinking. Useful tools, can often be dangerous.
Pubes are always quick to "gnash teeth and tear off clothes" at any sign that one disrespects the flag by not following to the letter the flag code, while meanwhile wave, cheer and celebrate George Sr. wearing it is a jacket inner liner and Jr wearing it as a f-ing trophy.
Quote from: Solitary on July 08, 2015, 12:50:00 PM
It has always amazed me how people react emotionally to symbolism, like it is the real thing it represents. This is the same with words. I'm convinced that mankind became crazy when language was invented. Understand lul? :eek: :biggrin2:
I will admit that am sentimental about a few private, personal objects. Those things are private, but they have symbolic meaning for me.
When it comes to desecrating symbols, some I think seem to be more universal than others. Flags can really get some people riled up, but a lot of people wouldn't generally care. Yet virtually across all cultures, human remains are treated with a certain amount of respect. There's a lot of symbolism in pissing on a grave or carving up a dead body.
Solitary ... In most societies thru most of history, it was illegal to dissect a human body. This held up medicine for centuries. It is possible that the development of language ... which according to evidence was perhaps very primitive 40,000 years ago in biologically modern humans, led to the breakdown of the bicameral mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology) ... this is particularly interesting from the point of view of the psychology of religion.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 07, 2015, 09:06:07 PM
http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/north-carolina-church-flies-christian-flag-above-us-flag-saying-god-is-first/
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4341779426001/north-carolina-church-to-fly-christian-flag-over-old-glory/?playlist_id=930909787001#sp=show-clips
This was trending on my facebook and people seem to be making a big deal about it.... To be honest, I don't see why or really care. It is a church after all and the church's flagpole. They can fly whatever flags in whatever order they want.
But other than that, I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. I'm anti religion, but I'm also anti nationalism so it seems like this is being made in to a whole lot of nonsensical drama.
If people got pissed off about this just imagine what would happen if a mosque flew an Islamic flag over an American flag!
Quote from: MagetheEntertainer on July 10, 2015, 10:25:58 PM
If people got pissed off about this just imagine what would happen if a mosque flew an Islamic flag over an American flag!
I dunno. maybe if it was in reverse and the american flag was flew above the islamic flag, or replacing the islamic flag with the dildo flag.
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btw, saw your last video on heaven Mage, good stuff ^^
People have hot buttons ... and it is both curious and dangerous to push them. Like bombs, they are primed to explode. Muslims for example, have an even more exaggerated view of the nature of the Quran, than even Christians or Jews do of the Bible. Desecration isn't just what they feel, but you are literally messing with a "heavenly" object ... a Platonic form ... of which the physical Qurans are a material representative. I suppose if you desecrated a crucifix ... then for some, you are literally stepping on Jesus, not a symbol of Jesus ... there is transubstantiation going on for them. Some may feel this about the national flag (and for the South, the Confederacy was, is and will always be their country) ... that you aren't dissing an idea, you are vandalizing the substance of who they are. The sense of self inspires self-defense, and that sense of self can extend beyond the physical body, to your buddy in the fox hole, or your whole tribe.
Quote from: Munch on July 11, 2015, 07:09:59 AM
I dunno. maybe if it was in reverse and the american flag was flew above the islamic flag, or replacing the islamic flag with the dildo flag.
(http://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/80a16b8bdf06a7bb99b044fa9c5d16ddc27a47d9/131_67_1978_1610/master/1978.jpg?w=300&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=90ce98cc01659b57ba32014b55e39712)
btw, saw your last video on heaven Mage, good stuff ^^
do you know where I can get that Dildo flag? I seriously want one to hang in my room!
Quote from: MagetheEntertainer on July 11, 2015, 11:11:49 AM
do you know where I can get that Dildo flag? I seriously want one to hang in my room!
looks like it was hand made by the guy waving it ^^
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/30/isis-dildo-flag-london-pride-cnn
It is hard for desert people to chill out ;-(