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Title: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Mermaid on May 21, 2015, 08:39:09 PM
It was only a matter of time before something scandalous broke about the Duggars.
The Executive Director of an anti-gay Christian organization, Josh Duggar admits to molesting girls when he was a teenager, including some of his sisters.
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Josh Duggar has resigned as Executive Director of the Family Research Council, acknowledging he sexually molested underage girls including some of his sisters, calling his conduct inexcusable.

Josh just told People, "Twelve years ago, as a young teenager. I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret."  He continues, "We spoke with authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling."

The molestations occurred in 2002 and 2003, when he was 14. He fondled the genitals and breasts of the girls, some of whom were sleeping.

Josh's wife Anna says he confessed his "past teenage mistakes" to her 2 years before he asked her to marry him.

The incidents were not reported to police until 2006, and the statute of limitations has now long since passed. But Josh says he believes God has shown him mercy and given him redemption.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-admits-molestation-statement-resigns-confessed-sex-scandal-wife/#ixzz3aodRUoU8
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Johan on May 21, 2015, 09:25:50 PM
What will he do now that he can no longer hate gays for a living?
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Ace101 on May 21, 2015, 09:31:41 PM
Conservative Christian family values for ya, folks!
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: aitm on May 21, 2015, 09:33:03 PM
god always grants mercy and redemption when one can't be prosecuted… gotta love good ole god for that
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on May 21, 2015, 10:13:54 PM
Can we just line up and take turns kicking him in the balls now?
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: trdsf on May 21, 2015, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on May 21, 2015, 08:39:09 PM
The incidents were not reported to police until 2006, and the statute of limitations has now long since passed. But Josh says he believes God has shown him mercy and given him redemption.
If he were really repentant he wouldn't have waited for the statute of limitations to expire.  Another self-serving hypocrite... no shocker there.
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: TomFoolery on May 22, 2015, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: Mermaid on May 21, 2015, 08:39:09 PM
It was only a matter of time before something scandalous broke about the Duggars.

What do you mean only a matter of time? They've had plenty of scandals, including disowning family members for getting pregnant out of wedlock, publicly stating transsexuals use bathrooms to molest children (irony much?), and deleting photos of homosexual and interracial couples from their page after they openly invited people to post photos of married people kissing on Facebook. Somehow the brain dead of America are happy to overlook the fact that the Duggars belong to a cult that oppresses women, hates education, and proudly judge people who aren't their brand of Christians.

How it is that many people who watch the show have deluded themselves into imagining the Duggars are some modern-day Little House on the Prairie escapes me.
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Mike Cl on May 22, 2015, 11:43:42 AM
Quote from: TomFoolery on May 22, 2015, 11:29:43 AM
What do you mean only a matter of time? They've had plenty of scandals, including disowning family members for getting pregnant out of wedlock, publicly stating transsexuals use bathrooms to molest children (irony much?), and deleting photos of homosexual and interracial couples from their page after they openly invited people to post photos of married people kissing on Facebook. Somehow the brain dead of America are happy to overlook the fact that the Duggars belong to a cult that oppresses women, hates education, and proudly judge people who aren't their brand of Christians.

How it is that many people who watch the show have deluded themselves into imagining the Duggars are some modern-day Little House on the Prairie escapes me.
I am equally puzzled by the 'reality' show concept.  These shows are not reality in any sense of the word.  They are all contrived to the max!  They should really be called fantasy shows.  Nothing real here folks, just move along.  The Duck Dynasty is another mystery to me.  The closest I can get to enjoying any reality show is Pawn Stars and American Pickers. 
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Mermaid on May 22, 2015, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: TomFoolery on May 22, 2015, 11:29:43 AM
What do you mean only a matter of time? They've had plenty of scandals, including disowning family members for getting pregnant out of wedlock, publicly stating transsexuals use bathrooms to molest children (irony much?), and deleting photos of homosexual and interracial couples from their page after they openly invited people to post photos of married people kissing on Facebook. Somehow the brain dead of America are happy to overlook the fact that the Duggars belong to a cult that oppresses women, hates education, and proudly judge people who aren't their brand of Christians.

How it is that many people who watch the show have deluded themselves into imagining the Duggars are some modern-day Little House on the Prairie escapes me.
I knew they were bigots, I was just waiting for the tables to be turned on them and their hypocrisy exposed.
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Gerard on May 22, 2015, 05:32:40 PM
People who pontificate about sexual things a lot, always make me think that the way too big role, sex has in their "moral universe", may have morbid origins. This of course being one of the many prime examples.

Gerard
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: TomFoolery on May 22, 2015, 06:19:37 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on May 22, 2015, 05:11:35 PM
I knew they were bigots, I was just waiting for the tables to be turned on them and their hypocrisy exposed.

That's just it though: I feel like all of their hypocrisy and hate campaigns have been on blast for years and people have cheerfully accepted it. Like, oh look at those crazy Duggars with their large family and wholesome values. No one wanted to look too deeply beyond the surface because... why bother?

I'll be honest, when news of this broke yesterday, my initial thought wasn't that he had molested children: it was more along the lines that he had acted like a normal teenage boy and fooled around consensually with a girl and his parents grossly overreacted and called it sexual abuse.

Now that more information has come out, and it has become painfully apparent that he had in fact molested girls, well, I can say I'm not surprised. Teenagers will explore their sexuality, but when you do nothing but tell them that sex is gross, their bodies are sinful, don't allow them privacy and constantly barrage them with messages about the immorality of lust and call everything a perversion, you're more likely going to push them into exploring their sexuality in worse ways. A bit like Catholic priests and young boys.

I'm not saying I condone or accept the behavior, but I sort of understand how it eventually happened. Moreover, it makes you wonder about their other kids.

I know they sent one of their boys away to that crazy right-wing military camp for boys when he became "too rebellious," which among those circles is anything from worshipping Satan to listening to non-gospel music.
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Mermaid on May 22, 2015, 06:37:49 PM
Those were my first thoughts, too, TomFoolery. Then my second thought was that he molested boys. Being such a homophobe, it would stand to reason. My only surprise was that he molested girls.
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Mike Cl on May 22, 2015, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on May 22, 2015, 06:37:49 PM
Those were my first thoughts, too, TomFoolery. Then my second thought was that he molested boys. Being such a homophobe, it would stand to reason. My only surprise was that he molested girls.
My first thoughts, too.  But who is to say that he did not (and maybe still does) molest both sexes?  These sicko's can just about rationalize anything in their sicko minds.
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Dreamer on May 22, 2015, 08:40:37 PM
Quote from: trdsf on May 21, 2015, 11:54:43 PM
If he were really repentant he wouldn't have waited for the statute of limitations to expire.  Another self-serving hypocrite... no shocker there.

When it was reported to the police, the statute of limitations had not passed.

While it's blatant hypocricy, the family did the best they could, imo.  They got counseling for those involved.  I just hope they continue counseling now.  The family didn't bury their heads in the sand--they didn't handle it perfectly, but I think they did really good considering how the expected response would have been denial, repression, refusal to believe...

Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Mike Cl on May 22, 2015, 09:02:16 PM
Quote from: Dreamer on May 22, 2015, 08:40:37 PM
When it was reported to the police, the statute of limitations had not passed.

While it's blatant hypocricy, the family did the best they could, imo.  They got counseling for those involved.  I just hope they continue counseling now.  The family didn't bury their heads in the sand--they didn't handle it perfectly, but I think they did really good considering how the expected response would have been denial, repression, refusal to believe...
Then he must be a really nice guy!  And the family seems to be a regular Beaver clan!  And by now I'm sure god must have forgiven them--oh, for sure!
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: aitm on May 22, 2015, 09:06:04 PM
there is a very real reason why the "me think thou doth protest too much" is a very real indicator of hypocrisy. It is pretty well proven that those who scream the loudest are almost always the most guilty. But this, as Mike has pointed out, is as puzzling as the Duck ass-holes and the gator hunting whacks with no teeth and whatever fucked-up shit they come up with to show mainstream america that we got some seriously fucked up folks in this country completely unlike real life OR Seinfeld…..
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: aitm on May 22, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 22, 2015, 09:02:16 PM
Then he must be a really nice guy!  And the family seems to be a regular Beaver clan!  And by now I'm sure god must have forgiven them--oh, for sure!
well sure, the babble is so full of shit that god approved of that I sometimes wonder how the hell masturbating can be a sin but sending your loves husband into battle while you fuck her is completely acceptable.
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Atheon on May 22, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: TomFoolery on May 22, 2015, 11:29:43 AM
What do you mean only a matter of time? They've had plenty of scandals, including disowning family members for getting pregnant out of wedlock, publicly stating transsexuals use bathrooms to molest children (irony much?), and deleting photos of homosexual and interracial couples from their page after they openly invited people to post photos of married people kissing on Facebook.
But those are all within the acceptable (and encouraged) range of behaviors for members of the Religious Reich. Child molestation, though common among members of the Religious Reich, is not openly tolerated by their community.
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Atheon on May 22, 2015, 11:06:41 PM
That no-talent reality-show hack was Executive Director of the Family Research Council? Goes to show the caliber of the "professionalism" of the FRC...
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Dreamer on May 23, 2015, 12:43:04 AM
You know what? The Duggar parents really had no concern for these children, not for Josh, not for his victims... They just kept on thrusting themselves into the spotlight. The hypocrisy and secrecy just added shame and pain to an already horrible crime. But Duggar Dad and Mom just wanted the recognition, to be a beacon of light and holiness, to have attention, fame, money. And they claim to be speakers for Good. Servants of God. Servants of their own egos.

I find it hard to believe that TLC would not have known about this..
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: trdsf on May 23, 2015, 03:59:47 AM
Aaaaand their freak show of a TV series has been yanked (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32856120).

Oh, and what does Duggar-supported wingnut candidate Mike Huckabee have to say?

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Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, who has been supported by Mr Duggar's parents Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar, defended the family on his Facebook page on Friday.

"Josh's actions when he was an underage teen are as he described them himself, 'inexcusable', but that doesn't mean 'unforgivable'," he wrote.

Or in other words, "cut the kid some slack, this family represents half the votes I'm going to get this primary season".  Wonder if he'd be so relaxed if a prominent supporter of Jeb Bush got his dick caught in an underage sex scandal.  Or Scott Warner.  Or (dun dun dunnnnnn) Hillary.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: hypocrites.
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Munch on May 23, 2015, 04:55:22 AM
I love that his dad's called Jim Bob, all you need is Billy Ray and some moonshine.
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: Mike Cl on May 23, 2015, 08:23:36 AM
Quote from: trdsf on May 23, 2015, 03:59:47 AM
Aaaaand their freak show of a TV series has been yanked (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32856120).

Oh, and what does Duggar-supported wingnut candidate Mike Huckabee have to say?

Or in other words, "cut the kid some slack, this family represents half the votes I'm going to get this primary season".  Wonder if he'd be so relaxed if a prominent supporter of Jeb Bush got his dick caught in an underage sex scandal.  Or Scott Warner.  Or (dun dun dunnnnnn) Hillary.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: hypocrites.
Yes.  And I'll join you.  Jim Hypocrite Bob!  And the rest of the clan--hypocrite!
Title: Re: Duggar fall from grace
Post by: TomFoolery on May 23, 2015, 10:03:14 AM
Quote from: Atheon on May 22, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
But those are all within the acceptable (and encouraged) range of behaviors for members of the Religious Reich. Child molestation, though common among members of the Religious Reich, is not openly tolerated by their community.

I can understand why evangelicals love the show, but it's also really popular with mainstream people who seem to think the Duggars are just quaint, overprotective parents in an increasingly scary world. A lot of people try to defend them by saying their opponents are hypocrites if they preach tolerance but aren't tolerant of the Duggars' way of life. Saying someone is being intolerant of someone else's intolerance isn't a defense against being intolerant.