Started by Atcherkeet57, June 09, 2021, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: trdsf on June 09, 2021, 09:28:33 PMI haven't had that problem since I left the Catholic church, which is a mental chamber of horrors all unto itself. I certainly didn't have that problem while I was a practicing Wiccan since the general conception of the Pagan gods isn't about humiliation, guilt and other forms of psychological abuse.And now the problem is non-existent!
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 10, 2021, 01:34:33 AMI've never been religious. What's a god?
Quote from: aitm on June 12, 2021, 09:46:23 AMBecause the person(s) that invented your god and wrote all the bat shit crazy stories about him were bullies and never god laid...hence so much hatred for women as well.
Quote from: Greatest I am on April 25, 2022, 03:32:07 PMTough love.You do not like the predation God does to man because you do not see it's worth.Think coral reef inhabitants.The stress of shark/God predation greatly improves the productivity of the reef.How can God make man better?By challenging us in some way.All living organisms and species seem to stress themselves somehow, as well as suffering the stress imposed by other predations.In the case of atheists being told they are immoral for not kissing a certain God's ass, perhaps that stress is what has helped made you guys more moral, peaceful and law abiding than the brain dead supernatural God believers. Take a bow for catching up to Gnostic Christians now that atheist chgurches are opening up.RegardsDL
Quote from: Atcherkeet57 on June 09, 2021, 01:23:04 PMGod always annoys you, puts you down, and embarrasses you. Why does he do that?
Quote from: Greatest I am on April 25, 2022, 04:32:54 PMNice that you got out.A shame you did not go Gnostic Christian as I did.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 25, 2022, 08:37:35 PMGod is perfect--or that is what the believers of all stripes say. How can god make humans better, you ask? If god is perfect how can he create imperfection; only if he wants to. So, apparently he does not want to have humans be perfect (and by what measure? Who creates that measure???) because he created them flawed. According to you, the baby born with spinal bifida must be perfect for he/she was created by your perfect god. Your god never was able to create perfection of any kind, at any time. That, alone, shows that he is not perfect and in fact rather crass and cruel. He does not need the devil as a foil to him for he is the devil; he fully acts like it and seems to relish causing pain and suffering.
Quote from: trdsf on April 27, 2022, 01:11:25 AMWhy would I return to any form of Christianity, or any other religion? I live in a rational world, not a magical one. I don't have to take things on faith, I can examine the evidence. I don't follow up "I don't know" with "therefore woo", I follow it up with "let's find out" -- and I can accept "I don't know" as an answer. I don't like it, but I can accept it, because sometimes it's the only honest answer. I do not pretend to know things I do not and can not know. My world view is honest and uncluttered and relies on data and observation.You can not offer me anything more satisfying or more demonstrably real than that.
Quote from: Greatest I am on April 25, 2022, 04:32:54 PMNice that you got out.A shame you did not go Gnostic Christian as I did.I mean that in the sense that we have to make immoral religions, --- that continue to harm many, our business.I see atheists as doing the same now that they are forming atheist churches.We have had enough of inquisitions and jihads.RegardsDL
Quote from: Greatest I am on April 25, 2022, 04:32:54 PMI certainly didn't have that problem while I was a practicing Wiccan since the general conception of the Pagan gods isn't about humiliation, guilt and other forms of psychological abuse.
Quote from: FreethinkingSceptic on May 22, 2022, 04:15:30 PMAnd what if the converse was true?What if a church, cult, or sect didn't have enough conception of "guilt" for being a rapist, a murderer, a pedophile, a terrorist and so on? Or didn't have any sense of guilt towards the ideas of having crusades and inquisitions?Also, this seems to be conflating "guilt" in the sense of self-centered feelings of humiliation or embarrassment with genuine reflection and remorse.
Quote from: Greatest I am on May 22, 2022, 03:01:56 PMThere is more to us than what you see, and I do not mean anything supernatural.
Quote from: trdsf on June 03, 2022, 12:51:14 AMWhat, precisely? There isn't anything more to us than that we're self-replicating molecular machines made possible, but not inevitable, by physics and chemistry and biology. What more -- and I mean what more that is concrete and demonstrable -- is there?And why isn't it remarkable enough that we are, as Carl Sagan so eloquently put it, "star stuff contemplating star stuff"? what more can you possibly need?