Sanders supporters, what are you doing for your plan b?

[gentle_dissident]

And how can we consider someone we don't actually know, as pure evil?  How can we even entertain the idea of pure evil, if there is no G-d?

LOL

[PickelledEggs]

Pretty sure I went out of my way to make it clear that Clinton and Trump are equally shit in my view. I like how your mind warped that into me suggesting Trump is better. Kind of telling.

I think its really more a case of you burying your head in the sand rather than me not doing so. The idea that Hillary Clinton is preferable to Donald Trump as president demonstrates a precious, terrifying sort of naivete on your part. The only major difference between them so far is that Trump is vocally on one side of social issues neither of them will ever be able to do anything about, while Clinton is on the other side of those issues neither of them will ever be able to do anything about.

But its all fruitless belching really. Ive seen you post here. You have no intention of taking anything back because this is the internet and you refuse to be wrong.

Anyway this "indirectly voting for Trump" thing is the biggest steamiest load of bullshit ive ever smelled and I think you know it. Hillary Clinton had an opportunity to earn my vote and she failed. Am I to be blamed for that? Is it my fault your precious candidate can barely command a majority of members of her own party? Is it my fault that she is not worth the time or effort I would have to expend to write her name on a ballot?

Your level of conceit is towering. I don't owe her or you anything, and if she loses to Donald Trump it isnt my fault because I didn't vote for her. Its HER fault because she gave me reason not to.

I misexpressed myself.

Let me reword it and expand as well.

If you think Trump and Hillary are both going to steer this boat of a country in to a river of shit, don't you think it would be a good idea which river of shit it is? If you truly believe they are equally as bad you must at least understand they are bad in different ways, correct? Because they have a huge amount of differing policies. We can steer this boat in to the right river where the river of shit has bits of corn and pumpkin seeds, or we can steer it to the left where it has strands of spinach. What do you want caught in the motor of this boat?

There are 2 choices and a hidden 3rd. You look at the river to the right and decide that corn isn't as bad as spinach when it's caught in the boat's motor, or you can look at the river to the left and say, well spinach isn't that horrible to get tangled in the turbines. At least the corn isn't damaging the blades. orrrr you can say, I'm gonna go below deck and let this boat go where it goes, I don't want to make this decision. AKA burying your head in the sand.

It's your choice, and by hell I agree you have the right to it, but don't try bullshitting your way around saying that it's avoiding facing the hard truth that the golden boy of the election was eliminated out of the primary choices. Just because it's not as easy of a choice as Sanders vs [insert republican here], you are avoiding making a choice of "who do I not want in office, because it will screw up the country in ways that I don't like more than the other person.  Because of the fact that if Sanders is in as the primary winner, you are going to be taking the easy and obvious choice and voting for him, sticking your head in the sand is a perfect way of describing what your "Bernie or Bust" choice is.

[TomFoolery]

If you think Trump and Hillary are both going to steer this boat of a country in to a river of shit, don't you think it would be a good idea which river of shit it is?

True. Josef Stalin and Jimmy Carter were both terrible leaders, but to take a note from Tolstoy's page, great leaders are all alike; every terrible leader is terrible in his or her own way.

[Nonsensei]

I misexpressed myself.

Let me reword it and expand as well.

If you think Trump and Hillary are both going to steer this boat of a country in to a river of shit, don't you think it would be a good idea which river of shit it is? If you truly believe they are equally as bad you must at least understand they are bad in different ways, correct? Because they have a huge amount of differing policies. We can steer this boat in to the right river where the river of shit has bits of corn and pumpkin seeds, or we can steer it to the left where it has strands of spinach. What do you want caught in the motor of this boat?

There are 2 choices and a hidden 3rd. You look at the river to the right and decide that corn isn't as bad as spinach when it's caught in the boat's motor, or you can look at the river to the left and say, well spinach isn't that horrible to get tangled in the turbines. At least the corn isn't damaging the blades. orrrr you can say, I'm gonna go below deck and let this boat go where it goes, I don't want to make this decision. AKA burying your head in the sand.

It's your choice, and by hell I agree you have the right to it, but don't try bullshitting your way around saying that it's avoiding facing the hard truth that the golden boy of the election was eliminated out of the primary choices. Just because it's not as easy of a choice as Sanders vs [insert republican here], you are avoiding making a choice of "who do I not want in office, because it will screw up the country in ways that I don't like more than the other person.  Because of the fact that if Sanders is in as the primary winner, you are going to be taking the easy and obvious choice and voting for him, sticking your head in the sand is a perfect way of describing what your "Bernie or Bust" choice is.

With all due respect to TomFoolery, I don't believe the difference between Hillary and Trump is as wide as it is between Carter and Stalin.

Of course, I have no way to know. Both of them are pounding on the fakery button pretty hard and they will continue to do so until one of them wins. And herein lies my primary objection to your river of shit argument. You don't know the composition of either rivers. Neither do I.

Theres two rivers of shit. They are clearly made of shit and you know it because of the overpowering smell, but the surface is completely murky so you cant make out whats in either river. And of course the only clue you are given is a sign in front of each river asserting that they are both totally shit free and safe to drink.

What sane person proceeds? Wouldn't the obvious choice be to turn away?

[PickelledEggs]

What sane person proceeds? Wouldn't the obvious choice be to turn away?

Real life only moves forward, whether you turn away or not.

[TomFoolery]

With all due respect to TomFoolery, I don't believe the difference between Hillary and Trump is as wide as it is between Carter and Stalin.

Is that because bad leaders can only be truly bad if they operate gulags? Truly, Saddam Hussein got awards from UNESCO for his literacy programs and expanded state health insurance. He also buried his enemies in soccer fields. So really, what is worse? A dictator who runs a country moderately well and oppresses its citizens, or a pushover who tanks the economy and bungles international affairs but never committed human rights atrocities? It's apples and oranges, which is why I say there's a lot of ways to be bad, and finding ways to measure them is subjective.

You don't know the composition of either rivers. Neither do I.

But I can see the ways the tides are turning.

When countries like Britain try to pass measures barring Donald Trump from entering their country and every day someone like Mexico, Japan, or South Korea is saying "WTF Donald?!" it at least gives a secondary measure of what paddling down Shit River might look like.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

I'm a Sanders supporter, but the thing is this: regardless of how much I detest the idea of a Clinton presidency, I will vote for her without a second thought because my rights are at stake. My rights as a gay person, and as a worker, are at stake. It might be nice to vote for Trump as a protest vote when you're on the sidelines, but I'm in the middle of this. I'll be damned if I let the same type of business man who got us in this shit actually be president.

[PickelledEggs]

I'm a Sanders supporter, but the thing is this: regardless of how much I detest the idea of a Clinton presidency, I will vote for her without a second thought because my rights are at stake. My rights as a gay person, and as a worker, are at stake. It might be nice to vote for Trump as a protest vote when you're on the sidelines, but I'm in the middle of this. I'll be damned if I let the same type of business man who got us in this shit actually be president.

In addition to lgbt rights, we need to think about how it will affect us as atheists with one candidate over another.

[Baruch]

Since both D and R parties are conservative, not liberal (with the exception of Bernie) ... in what way is the current LGBT situation not a Pyrrhic victory (a victory that costs too much)?  Unless you get a liberal electorate, electing liberals to Congress, the WH, and the SCOTUS ... your current victory is as shallow as a spring rain in the desert.  Given the current conservative turn, I can see the civil rights won by women and African-Americans getting reversed ... back to 1960 with us!  Symbolic electoral victories and MSM noise ... isn't real victory for your position.  Even waiting for Baby Boomers to die off won't help ... in my experience, conservatives arise in every generation.  The amount of back-tracking from 1980 that I have seen astonishes me.  Non-litmus test liberalism is almost extinct.

[PickelledEggs]

Here is the updated primary results. Basically, Sanders needs to win every single remaining one to be nominated. So most likely, gg I guess.

[facebook164]

Coorect me if i am wrong but isnt the current elections and chaos only about selecting, on one side, a candidate for the democrates and on the other side a candidate for the republicans? Why should what democratic candidate you vote has anything at all to do with the republicans???

[Sargon The Grape]

If you think Trump and Hillary are both going to steer this boat of a country in to a river of shit, don't you think it would be a good idea which river of shit it is?

Not if you like a little excitement in your life.

[PickelledEggs]

Not if you like a little excitement in your life.[emoji38]

Hey. I play Russian Roulette with the best of them, but this scares me haha

-Sent from your mom

[Nonsensei]

Is that because bad leaders can only be truly bad if they operate gulags? Truly, Saddam Hussein got awards from UNESCO for his literacy programs and expanded state health insurance. He also buried his enemies in soccer fields. So really, what is worse? A dictator who runs a country moderately well and oppresses its citizens, or a pushover who tanks the economy and bungles international affairs but never committed human rights atrocities? It's apples and oranges, which is why I say there's a lot of ways to be bad, and finding ways to measure them is subjective.

I dont think either of them will be bad. I don't think they'll be good either. I think our political apparatus is designed to reject any real change the president tries to make, forcing whoever it is to the middle of the road and keeping them there. Thats why comparing our leaders to dictators like Stalin or Hussein sounds so silly. They were notable because of their virtually unlimited power. We refer to the POTUS as the leader of the free world, but for such a lofty title they have relatively little power especially if theres an opposition majority in congress. Donald Trump will not build a wall between the US and Mexico or deport all Muslims because he will be slapped down for trying. Whatever Hillary tries to do will be similarly mangled beyond recognition.

I am a firm believer in the sluggish ineptitude of our government. Presidential power is restricted by sheer entropy.

But I can see the ways the tides are turning.

When countries like Britain try to pass measures barring Donald Trump from entering their country and every day someone like Mexico, Japan, or South Korea is saying "WTF Donald?!" it at least gives a secondary measure of what paddling down Shit River might look like.

Its all crap. In order for Donald Trump to challenge the RNC, he needed to activate a voter block that has lain dormant for half a century. That of disgruntled racist blue collar dipshits tired of not being able to yell at someone for being a "fag" in public without being looked at like they were Satan incarnate by literally everyone around them.

And boy did he ever succeed. He zoned right in on racist, religious bigots and their persecution complex with stunning success. So he keeps up the rhetoric, maintains his voter base and rides them into the general election. The drawback is he cant ever let up. He can't ever be less rabid than he is right now or he will lose people shockingly fast. He needs people to believe he will return America to the good old days where transvestites were consigned to a mental institution, gays were beaten to death by everyone in town, and niggers werent allowed to drink from the whites only fountain or sit in the front of the bus.

Its a clear cut strategy, but if he ever makes it into office he wont need those idiots anymore. Thats why I keep saying we dont know anything about President Trump, the statements of candidate Trump notwithstanding. Remember, this man was a Democrat a little over a decade ago. Hes every bit the chameleon that Clinton is.

[drunkenshoe]

I kind of want to do what Hijiri might do and vote for Drumpf... and hope that the country collapses in a way that people in the senate will realize something is wrong and we need to fix it... The only problem is, I highly doubt that the people in the senate, and congress and the people behind the scenes that own the companies that really run this country will even want to do anything about it. If the country collapses, it won't even effect them, so why would they?

LOL It never works that way. If Trump wins, people would adopt to that so fast you wouldn't believe what is happening in front of your eyes.

About people in the senate and congress, more than how much all this affects them or not, don't you think they would do something before it arrived to this point if they could or would?