Sanders supporters, what are you doing for your plan b?

[TomFoolery]

I might write this dream team in on a ticket if it came down in some weird way to Trump and Hillary, and then Hillary got indicted. Seriously.

[Baruch]

Any candidate who says "More Umax" has my vote ;-)

[AllPurposeAtheist]

It seems to me that both major parties are trying like hell to rip themselves apart. Among D's of course is HRC vs Bernie and among the Rs it's Trump vs the whole damn party..
This may or may not be a good thing or it may also just be a setup to get the electorate to fully embrace the status quo..

[Hydra009]

This is basically my reasoning for Trump being my Plan B vote. I would prefer Bernie, but if voting for Trump is what it'll take to break the status quo, I'll take it.

A lot of Bernie supporters are making this argument and I sympathize with that somewhat.  This system desperately needs reform and whatever it takes to make it happen, so be it.  But Trump seems like too much of a loose cannon.  I don't know what to expect from the guy, and his rhetoric isn't particularly reassuring.  In fact, it's more than a little frightening how he garnered so much support for comments appealing to Americans' xenophobic leanings and entertaining conspiracy theories ranging from Obama's citizenship to vaccines to global warming.  I can't trust what he says and I can't trust him.  Ultimately, I think he's just as liable to push us in the wrong direction as the right one.

If I had to choose between a lamentable status quo and possible catastrophe, I pick the status quo.  Obviously, waiting another 4 years is not ideal, and these problems are only getting worse in the meantime, but I'd rather be stuck with the mess we have now for a while longer than deal with a whole new one immediately.

I look at Trump's record more than his campaign rhetoric (because I think actions speak louder than words), and he's a relatively sensible guy for the most part.

What record?  He's never held public office as far as I can tell.  He might be a decent guy unfairly portrayed by the media, but I have no way of knowing that.  His speeches and debates are all I have to go on and those include infantile name-calling and a literal dick-measuring contest.

[gentle_dissident]

infantile name-calling and a literal dick-measuring contest.

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"
Trump

I want to know who dreamed up his Merry Prankster candidacy.

[Baruch]

Status quo folks want an Ivy League graduate (a real one, not fakes like George W or Barak), with poly-sci electives, and a JD degree, but not a trial lawyer, an corporate attorney who has always practiced in both government side and corporate side.

And that is exactly the kind of person I can't support.  The status quo guarantees that we will drive off the cliff with Thelma & Louise ... 1929 all over again.

The current status quo isn't keeping things the same, it is keeping a financial revolution going that started with Reagan and deregulation.  Casino America.

[PickelledEggs]

I kind of want to do what Hijiri might do and vote for Trump... and hope that the country collapses in a way that people in the senate will realize something is wrong and we need to fix it... The only problem is, I highly doubt that the people in the senate, and congress and the people behind the scenes that own the companies that really run this country will even want to do anything about it. If the country collapses, it won't even effect them, so why would they?

It's definitely tempting though. Like I said in Hydras april fools joke thread...
It's kind of like when you stand on an edge of a cliff... you almost want to jump off to feel the rush of what it's like right before you die... but you don't actually want to die. I don't want to die, so I don't jump off cliffs, maybe one day with a parachute, if I get ballsy enough, but not any time soon. Same thing goes for Trump. Not voting for trump...

[Baruch]

It is very profitable to destroy corporations and governments ... just ask Romney ... or the guys who are squeezing blood from the turnip that is Argentina.  In a corrupt economy, one doesn't have to make constructive change or investment, to make a killing.

Right now economic hitmen and tearing Brazil to pieces.

[FaithIsFilth]

I almost wasn't even going to vote for Trudeau, so I don't think I'd be able to vote for Clinton if I were American. Who knows though. Maybe I'd feel differently if I was born and lived my whole life in the States. The Liberals were the number 3 party in Canada not too long ago, and I said I would likely vote Liberal even if they were not considered a top two party anymore. The Liberals went from third to first.

When it comes down to it, I don't think anyone here really needs to worry much about Bernie supporters. Most of them will vote Hillary. The rest are not needed. Clinton is murdering Trump in the polls and Trump's unlikeable numbers are massive, so we're not going to see a complete 180 in the polls. Clinton will win against Trump, and the low voter turnout will send a message to the establishment, that next time you better nominate someone more progressive if you want to have a shot against a Republican that is not a complete clown like Trump (or more likely they will ignore liberals wanting someone more progressive, and they'll just give you a better salesman than Hillary. Someone who's a smooth talker like another Obama rather than a robot who lacks a personality like Hillary). The one thing you have to worry about is the GOP not nominating Trump if he doesn't reach the magic number. Cruz or Rubio or Kasich could still very well be the nominee, and in that case, the left over Bernie supporters won't matter, because with or without them, any Republican but Trump would completely destroy Clinton on voting day. As long as Hillary is facing Trump, you should have no worries.

[Flanker1Six]

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm?????????  Do I detect a note of dissatisfaction amongst the Donkeys?   

As jiggered as the GOP is; in favor of their establishment-----the sad truth should be blindingly obvious by now--the Democratic party is far more elitist/mainstream----and just as prone to orthodoxy (with in their world view) and authoritarianism as the GOP.  Think being ruled by the "corporation" would be bad---------you're right it would be.   What's the difference between being under the thumb of the Board of Directors, or the Committee for Harmony and Social Justice?   Not a lot of daylight between them; that I can see.  The first wants to teach you what to think, the second how to.
If you want change--------be sure and vote for the same parties that are responsible for it and the Ruling Class we all so admire.

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/lobby_contribs.phpb   Pretty equally divided  (numerically) between the Elephants and Donkeys.   

In case you're wondering................I voted Republican from 1972-2004; when I dropped out.

To those of you who suggest maybe we need of a collapse to reorganize/restructure..........................I'd suggest you've never lived in a country that has, or you wouldn't suggest that.  If you'd like to try it; there are any number of interesting places to get your fill of theoretical poly sci, and cultural/religious Darwinism.   

I entirely agree we need a thorough reorganization of the Federal Government to fix a number of institutional deficiencies--------I can easily forego the "collapse" part of the party though.   Been there--didn't enjoy that; it wasn't that bad for me...........but watching what the locals were dealing with; due to our efforts and effects, but mostly due to their own; made a true believer out of me.     



 

[Nonsensei]

I want Berne. I don't want Clinton. The argument that I should vote for Clinton just to avoid a Trump presidency holds no weight or merit with me. If she can't beat a pandering twat like Trump without rebound votes from Sanders then she doesn't deserve to win and the rest of us truly deserve what we get.

[Mermaid]

I want Berne. I don't want Clinton. The argument that I should vote for Clinton just to avoid a Trump presidency holds no weight or merit with me. If she can't beat a pandering twat like Trump without rebound votes from Sanders then she doesn't deserve to win and the rest of us truly deserve what we get.

Will you vote if Sanders doesn't win the primary?

[Nonsensei]

Will you vote if Sanders doesn't win the primary?

No.

[aitm]

I think Trump would be a fucking show, if the pubs let him live that long. If he gets the nod, I think he gets waxed before he ever signs his first paper. So look for a reasonable VP.

[Hydra009]

I think Trump would be a fucking show, if the pubs let him live that long. If he gets the nod, I think he gets waxed before he ever signs his first paper. So look for a reasonable VP.

He's looking at Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin right now.  Oh the puns I could come up with...