Non-optional RFID Chip

[widdershins]

This is never going to happen.  There would be so many abuses of it.  Someone earlier mentioned the ID device on cars for toll booths.  Those are already being abused by law enforcement.  If you have the device in your car and you get from point A to point B too quickly, they send you a speeding ticket in the mail.  They are doing that now.  Imagine if Wal-Mart could link each and every customer to every purchase they ever made at Wal-Mart.  Then Target starts doing the same thing.  Sears doesn't because by this time Sears no longer exists, but existing stores start doing it.  You almost immediately start seeing targeted ad kiosks in the store which start selling specific products you are known to buy.  Before you know it you mysteriously start seeing ads in Target for things you bought at Wal-Mart.  After a little research you find that a centralized company has been created to collect and aggregate all of this data on you, sharing your dossier between stores.  Before long that company will start getting thousands of information requests a year from law enforcement.  Eventually, they'll just stop asking like they did for the Internet and simply build a pipe straight into it.  The government will like all the data they already have on you, which is a LOT, with your purchases.  Wait a minute!  You spent $13.68 cents MORE than you took home last year but your bank account grew and your credit card balances shrunk!  How did THAT happen?  Paid cash for something?  Doesn't matter.  The sensors STILL log who you are and what you left with.  Before long a guy can't buy zip ties and duct tape anymore...for...home improvement...  And did you buy the wrong combination of household cleaners yesterday?  Now they start surveillance on you.  They already don't even have to tap your phone anymore.  They just put in the number they want to watch and the data they already collect and have been for years is simply brought up.  It includes your call history, texts and emails for years.  Answer "Yes" at the prompt and now they are recording conversations.  All of them, not just the ones which are already automatically recorded when the computer picks out keywords.

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but I think Snowden showed just how bad it has gotten.  We condemn England for having cameras in the public square, but we no longer have a digital footprint in America.  Law enforcement pretends we do.  But it's really a digital second-by-second recording of everything we've done.  And if they COULD store the content of all the conversations you've ever had over the phone until an arbitrary point after your death, they would.  Right now our biggest worry is snoopy agents looking into people's personal lives out of curiosity.  But the day will come when those in charge, especially Republicans, realize what they can do with this data collection network.  Forget Pew polls.  You can know TO THE SECOND what people are thinking of a political position or candidate with a far bigger sample size and much smaller margin of error.  With that information you could design a propaganda machine that would overturn liberty in America altogether and make the biggest share of the population like it!  Simply add a few new keywords to the search and you're tracking political opinions.  It's literally that simple.  Mass data collection WILL some day (if it isn't already) be used by the slimiest people for the darkest reasons; not to take our rights, but to get us to give them away freely.

[Johan]

This is never going to happen.  There would be so many abuses of it.  Someone earlier mentioned the ID device on cars for toll booths.  Those are already being abused by law enforcement.  If you have the device in your car and you get from point A to point B too quickly, they send you a speeding ticket in the mail.  They are doing that now.

Got proof of this? Because according to snopes, the claim is false.
http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/ezpass.asp

Imagine if Wal-Mart could link each and every customer to every purchase they ever made at Wal-Mart.  Then Target starts doing the same thing.  Sears doesn't because by this time Sears no longer exists, but existing stores start doing it.  You almost immediately start seeing targeted ad kiosks in the store which start selling specific products you are known to buy.

This happens already. I heard an interview with a Target exec talking about how they learned the hard way that they had to be careful with how they used the data their purchase history produced. Seems they have their algorithms so dialed in that based only on your purchase history, they can predict with alarming accuracy when couples will get pregnant. They bought r, then two week later they bought x, then three weeks later they bought y, they will be pregnant two weeks after buying z... And mind you, r,x y and z weren't things you'd expect like bed sheets and lingerie and pregnancy tests. The problem they ran into is that they were sending targeted ads to pregnant couples before they actually knew they were pregnant. People thought that was a bit too creepy and complained so they stopped doing it. They still often know when you're pregnant before you do, but now they know enough to wait until you buy stuff only pregnant people buy before they send to sale flyers with all the baby stuff.

But the point is, they are easily able to do this now, no RFID chips required. And even though they are able to do this now, they know enough to use the resulting data wisely lest they lose customers over it. I fail to see how RFID chips will change that.

[Baruch]

People think they are free, but they are wage slaves and debt slaves.  And the slave masters always fear ... Spartacus!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCmyiljKo0

This wouldn't be a problem, if Spartacus had been chipped ;-)  Rome never fell.

[widdershins]

Got proof of this? Because according to snopes, the claim is false.
http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/ezpass.asp

No, I do not have proof.  What I have is a person telling me they got a speeding ticket in the mail because they got from one toll point to another toll point too quickly.

But the statement I made has nothing to do with the Snopes article you linked.  The article you linked was about New York, specifically, installing new recording devices at intervals along highway, not about travel between existing tollbooths anywhere, including outside of New York.  I never mentioned or alluded to New York specifically and the "point A to point B" I was talking about was two toll booths, though I see that I did not clearly state that I was specifically and exclusively talking about toll booths.  I had actually never heard this New York story so it did not even occur to me that detectors could or would be set up at any location other than a toll booth, where they already exist.

[Johan]

Well to be fair, I got to that link by googling EZ-Pass speeding ticket. When you search on that phrase, you get a handful of links related to the NY thing. And that's it. Given that the EZ-Pass network spans many states and given that people LOVE to complain about shit on the internet, I would expect that if there were a state somewhere that is mailing speeding tickets based only on EZ-Pass time stamps, the internet would be chock a block full of people complaining about it.

Not saying it isn't happening. Just saying that if it is, the general public are for some mysterious reason being incredibly quiet about it.

[widdershins]

Well to be fair, I got to that link by googling EZ-Pass speeding ticket. When you search on that phrase, you get a handful of links related to the NY thing. And that's it. Given that the EZ-Pass network spans many states and given that people LOVE to complain about shit on the internet, I would expect that if there were a state somewhere that is mailing speeding tickets based only on EZ-Pass time stamps, the internet would be chock a block full of people complaining about it.

Not saying it isn't happening. Just saying that if it is, the general public are for some mysterious reason being incredibly quiet about it.

Hey, asking for evidence that a statement is true is never a dick move.  It's just making sure you're properly informed and not misinformed.  As a youth I was in a Pentecostal church where I "knew" a lot of things in the Bible which, yeah, aren't really in there, so I understand asking for a statement to be backed.  No big deal.

In my search all I could find on this was a few people, like the person I talked to, claiming that this had happened to them.  A few "eyewitness accounts", to borrow a term from Randy.  I guess that means it's absolutely true without question!

[FaithIsFilth]

This is never going to happen.

Never going to happen? You may want to rethink that after hearing this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3eER_zO1tQ

It is inevitable.

[TrueStory]

I've been using RFID chips for a few years now and they've improved my life by about .581%.  I can't imagine why I would want that implanted in my body or why that would be mandatory or how I would be left behind instead of carrying my wallet.   Although if there are no pockets in the future then sign me up.

[Baruch]

RFID chips greatly help retail.  When you are treated like last seasons shirts ... then you will need RFID in you.  Gotta clear out the unsold inventory of humans.

The SCOTUS, like the Vatican, can make any decisions it wants.  But I have decided to ignore them.  Stick that up your funny robes, you shit-heads!

[Johan]

Hey, asking for evidence that a statement is true is never a dick move.  It's just making sure you're properly informed and not misinformed.  As a youth I was in a Pentecostal church where I "knew" a lot of things in the Bible which, yeah, aren't really in there, so I understand asking for a statement to be backed.  No big deal.

In my search all I could find on this was a few people, like the person I talked to, claiming that this had happened to them.  A few "eyewitness accounts", to borrow a term from Randy.  I guess that means it's absolutely true without question!

The EZ-pass system is completely optional. And there is a real and measurable cost to deploy and maintain the system i.e. the servers don't stay powered up by themselves or through osmosis. My opinion only, but the day the popo starts mailing out speeding tickets based on EZ-Pass time stamps is the day 2/3 of the system users pull their transponders out of their cars. If the system instantly loses 2/3 of its customers, each and every state that has invested in implementing the system loses big time on their investment. That is not the sort of thing that gets governors reelected therefore that is not the sort of thing very many governors are going to be willing to allow. Again, my opinion only.

[Baruch]

But once the sheeple allow all the toll booths run by humans, to be downsized, then when they pull their transponders, they won't be able to use the toll roads legally.  Of course the long term plan is to make every road and street, a toll road!

That people choose poorly, and damage their fellow human's interests ... is just a conspiracy theory.  Just read tonight, that a philosopher, writing in the 1970s, Dr Rorty, predicted the disintegration of the two party system, into strong man fascism ... because of the outsourcing of the blue collar work, and the indifference of the white collar workers ... leads to the former blue collar workers rising up and exterminating the enabling white collars and their upper evil bosses.

[Jannabear]

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