Started by Hijiri Byakuren, April 14, 2016, 10:45:23 PM
Quote from: Baruch on April 15, 2016, 06:33:17 PMJustice is very much about vengeance by the hoi poloi against anyone who is non-conformist. Justice is a worthless abstract concept.
Quote from: marom1963 on April 19, 2016, 05:20:12 AMChattel slavery as we practiced it in the US was certainly wrong. However, "slavery" as it was practiced in Ancient Rome was not at all like the slavery that we practiced here. In fact, it more resembled modern employment than chattel slavery. No, the slaves could not just leave when they wanted, but they had rights that had to be scrupulously cared for, including the possession of their wages. They also had guilds to which they could belong that invested their earnings to help them purchase their freedom.Secretary, librarian, teacher, chef, accountant, physician, dancer, artist, government bureaucrat - just some of the occupations that were entirely servile in nature. Only soldiers and lawyers had to be free men. (By the by, it was the soldiers who built Rome's roads, not slaves.)As for the ages of consent, when I said that it was moved about like the rope at a bank, I meant nowadays, not the past. All over the World, it varies.As for the past, w/a much shorter life span, getting married at age 12 was not unreasonable. As life-span has increased, the span of childhood has telescoped to an almost ridiculous length. And we have invented something that did not exist in the past: adolescence. To a large extent, this has to do w/delaying the entry of even more young men and women into the work force. The lack of experience that goes w/being young was, in the past, treated for what it was - lack of experience, not a special disease that afflicts the young.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on April 20, 2016, 08:51:01 PMForget the age of consent argument. I know it's very redundant to say this in any thread about the subject, but the line for pedophilia is puberty. Having had the misfortune to spend some quality time with a pedo back when I was a child, I find it very offensive when people confuse "undger-age" and "prepubescent."
Quote from: marom1963 on April 20, 2016, 09:24:21 PMNo, that's not a line that should be crossed. An 18 year-old w/a 16 year-old, I can turn a blind eye. A 30 year-old w/the same 16 year-old, and I'm calling the cops. That's the type of judicial discretion that I'm talking about. I'm not for putting a 14 year-old in prison b/c he had sex w/another 14 year-old. But gung-ho prosecutors have been known to try such cases. Megan's Law needs some re-tooling. I personally know a boy - 19 years-old - who has to register as a sex offender b/c he took a leak in an alley and got charged w/indecent exposure - a dark alley, in the middle of the night, the only one who saw him was the cop who followed him up the alley. That's ridiculous. A stiff fine and some community service would have been enough - not a life-time of being a registered sex offender for taking a leak.
Quote from: doorknob on April 18, 2016, 10:26:23 PMthere is something wrong with a 60 year old man ogling a teenage girl. On the same token it's equally sick if a woman does it to a teenage boy. What the hell do you see in a teenage boy any way? Certainly not security. And 60 year old man? Yes I'm sure you and the teenage girl will have lots to relate on. .
Quote from: aitm on April 22, 2016, 10:51:45 PMAs much as we scream, it seems the world, in reality, does not agree. In public, they agree, but privatelyâ€¦.ah..the real world is far more grey than black and white.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on April 14, 2016, 10:45:23 PMIf pedophilia is a choice, why do people choose to do it?
QuoteShould pedophilia be considered a mental illness?
QuoteIs pedophilia a sexual orientation? If not, why should it be distinguished from sexual orientation?
QuoteWhat sort of carrot/stick approach would be best to prevent pedophiles from crossing into criminal territory? (Especially since current punishments don't seem to discourage a fair number of them.)
Quote from: Baruch on April 15, 2016, 07:01:49 AMI know a convicted pedophile ... an old man attracted to teenage girls. I can certainly relate to the feeling, but I draw the line at soliciting or touching. He is at least guilty of soliciting on-line. Not a smart move at all, since it was a police sting.
Quote from: doorknob on July 05, 2016, 04:59:50 PMI'm sorry but marrying girls because they were in a horrible situation (oh yes you're her hero )and that in no way is taking advantage of some one in a less fortunate situation then your self! You can help people with out marrying them and then further obligating them to your self. That's dishonest and discussing! any one can scream and disagree but old men with teenage girl is a predator taking advantage of some one too young and stupid to defend them self. I was one of those teenage girls who was constantly attacked by OLD men. I did not solicit this! Eventually I learned how to be loud and ignorant and even that doesn't deter them. My poor sister was practically raped by a customer in a store where she worked. Her boss straight up said as long as she wasn't raped he didn't care! I even would say some one in their 20's any one older than 21 should not be messing with teenage girls. It's pretty likely that alcohol will be involved in those situations ( I know that's why I looked for men over 21 and no other reason than that). It's bad news no matter how you slice it! I don't give two shit's who married who at what age in the past! That was the past when we did many bad and ignorant things. We have grown as a society and know better now! It disheartens me to see so many men support teenage to adult relationships and I"m not talk a few years apart. I'm talking a grown man who knows better. It's predatory and it sickens me! If you can't tell predator behavior from normal behavior then something is wrong with you, you might want to check your self! What is so wrong with dating some one your own age or ,at least close to it, any how? People on this forum are acting like it's their god given right to target a teenager! Other than using you for money or alcohol or drugs there isn't a teen age girl who wants a 30 + some year old man! That's not true love that's just fucked up! And the fact that so many people are trying to justify this type of behavior scares the shit out of me! No wonder I was sexually harassed and practically raped in my teenage years! Too many people are condoning this sort of behavior! Thanks for supporting predators! BTW I didn't mean you stromboli I think you nailed it on the head when you said he was grooming her.
Quote from: Jannabear on July 06, 2016, 07:15:08 AMI have to disagree with you.Are many teenagers not able to handle that level of commitment to another person, yes, but youre making a generalization, you ignore the fact that SOME, are.Not every teenager is a braindead retard as youd try to portray them.