Trump Staff Assaults Breitbart Reporter

[The Atheist]

Considering your the one who has brought up your heritage because it is expedient to prove that "trump couldn't possibly be racist because I am a minority!", and says that we should compare ourselves to the actions of Japan and no other country so far, one has to make such an assumption.

I'm not full-blooded white, have a "foreigner" name and was shunned by "white culture" where I grew up... Kinda racist for you to make such an assumption about me, but whatever. I'll let it pass.

Skipping ahead past several racist remarks thrown at me...

And what refugees are the trouble makers? Which refugees is it that Trump want's to ban?

Does Trump want to ban all refugees? Or is it just a certain group that he is concerned about?

I am actually more concerned about the fact that now you are saying Trump isn't going far enough. When we look at healthy societies, the Japanese are generally not the one we put on the pedestal given their rates of depression and suicide, the fact that 1/3rd of single women live in poverty and rising rates of child abuse... and you want to point to them and say, "We should be more like them socially!"?

No, I brought up my ethnicity to show that not all Trump supporters are white racists.

Hm. What else.

I was not saying that we need to emulate Japanese society. You really need to stop putting words in my mouth. The Japanese are refusing to allow refugees in because they don't want to endure what the Europeans are enduring. ALL I SAID was that we should do what the Japanese are doing. That's it. Ok? What the heck...

In his book The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins mentioned the concept of raising one's consciousness. When I pointed how you were making me "Mr Representative of Japan" I was enlightening to your racism. In other words, I was trying to raise your consciousness. When you encounter an Asian American, don't assume that they "represent all Asians" or "represent the land of the ancestors" or whatever nonsense.

[The Atheist]

How utterly meaningless. You cannot declare yourself exceptional without having done exceptional things, no more than I can declare myself divine without divinity.

The word you are looking for is "arrogance", something you and Mr. Trump have in abundance.

Edit: To answer one o your questions though...

My people are of Ireland, Germany, Scandinavia, and the Mediterranean, with my dad the first three and my mom a mutt of the last. When I was adopted I took my mom's family last name which would likely give Mr. Trump a panic attack and fear that I was going to blow him up or be a member of ISIS.

So you're saying that America has never done anything exceptional? Being the harbinger of modern democracy is not exceptional enough?

[The Atheist]

And what principles do we have that other nations do not have?  Because spoiler alert, that whole secular republic with individual rights thing really took off. 

We're exceptional because:

1. Our principles are those of liberty, egalitarianism, individualism, republicanism, democracy and a laissez-faire approach to business.

2. America has a unique mission to transform the world. From our beginning until the present, we've helped spread democracy across the globe and continue to do so. (According to the democratic peace theory, because no two democracies have ever fought each other, the world will become less violent the more that democracy spreads.)

3. Our sense of mission and history gives us superiority over other nations.

[Shiranu]

No, I brought up my ethnicity to show that not all Trump supporters are white racists.

Which is irrelevant to the fact that Trump panders to, and is himself likely, a white racist.

I was not saying that we need to emulate Japanese society.

No, we should just adopt their policies.

The Japanese are refusing to allow refugees in because they don't want to endure what the Europeans are enduring.

Which is what, exactly? You want to speak of making America exceptional again? Irish refugees were a huge reason America was great. We went through the exact same shit you aim at Muslims. German refugees made America great during WW2. Japanese refugees made America great. Armenian scientists and businessmen refugees have made America great. Hard-working Latin American refugees have made America great.

The greatness of America is built on those fleeing hardship. Have you heard of something called the Statue of Liberty? Have you read the poem at it's base?

"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!""

When you encounter an Asian American, don't assume that they "represent all Asians" or "represent the land of the ancestors" or whatever nonsense.

Again, your racism is coming through painfully so when you say things like this. I bring it up because, again, you want to use your race as a political tool. You brought it up, don't cry like a bitch when someone calls you on it. And as for ancestors... I use that term because that is what is important to ME. But of course, in your racist eyes, "OH WHITE GUY SAID ANCESTOR HE TRYING TO APPEAL TO MY 'ORIENTAL CHARM!' WHAT A RACIST!".

So you're saying that America has never done anything exceptional? Being the harbinger of modern democracy is not exceptional enough?

Poland and france had stronger democracies that incorporated more people into the system before the United States.

[Shiranu]

America has a unique mission to transform the world.

Says who? That is a flavour of the month idea, we have been isolationist for most of our history.

...because no two democracies have ever fought each other...

Have you ever heard of something called World War 2? You might look up some of the nations that fought on each side, and what political system they were.

Our sense of mission and history gives us superiority over other nations.

Piss on that.

[The Atheist]

Which is irrelevant to the fact that Trump panders to, and is himself likely, a white racist.

No, we should just adopt their policies.

Which is what, exactly? You want to speak of making America exceptional again? Irish refugees were a huge reason America was great. We went through the exact same shit you aim at Muslims. German refugees made America great during WW2. Japanese refugees made America great. Armenian scientists and businessmen refugees have made America great. Hard-working Latin American refugees have made America great.

The greatness of America is built on those fleeing hardship. Have you heard of something called the Statue of Liberty? Have you read the poem at it's base?

"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!""

Again, your racism is coming through painfully so when you say things like this. I bring it up because, again, you want to use your race as a political tool. You brought it up, don't cry like a bitch when someone calls you on it. And as for ancestors... I use that term because that is what is important to ME. But of course, in your racist eyes, "OH WHITE GUY SAID ANCESTOR HE TRYING TO APPEAL TO MY 'ORIENTAL CHARM!' WHAT A RACIST!".

Poland and france had stronger democracies that incorporated more people into the system before the United States.

You're calling me racist to save face? Wow.

Anyway, there's a difference between sane refugees and Muslim refugees. Have you not been following what's going on in Europe? Every day I read stories in European media about boy and girls being KIDNAPPED AND RAPED by refugees. Remember that story about the 7-yr-old boy in Sweden who was being raped in a refugee camp and the police ran for their lives, unable to save the boy?

They march through the streets of Europe demanding a caliphate:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/muslims-march-through-streets-of-denmark-demanding-a-caliphate-video/

Germany kowtows to them, banning pork in schools for EVERYONE to avoid "offending" Muslims. So much for assimilation.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/650246/Germany-bans-pork-cafes-schools-offending-Muslim-migrants

Watch this video and tell me you're not worried:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VJyKRwQHHM

[Baruch]

While I appreciate all the chest thumping nationalistic chauvinism, you guys need to get a room ... where you can competitively wrap yourselves in the US flag ;-)  Seeing as how you can't do the other rascally thing, which is thump a Bible.

See, I work with young Americans, usually 20-30 years old.  Been doing that for almost 20 years ... and I can tell you that I have confidence, that no matter what shit comes America's way, some of it self inflicted, the X-gen and Millennials can handle it ;-)

But usually I am shitting realism all over American politics and business ... that is a separate issue.  Policy stinks, but the people are sweet.

[The Atheist]

I'm a Hillary Clinton supporter now. Trump kinda bores me.

[Shiranu]

:roll:

[Baruch]

I'm a Hillary Clinton supporter now. Trump kinda bores me.

So you dig Lady MacBeth?  When it comes to killing children in Iraq via ineffective interdiction, we had to rely on Mr MacBeth.  It appalled even the French.  And that was before we went full retard with Don Quixote Bush.

[The Atheist]

So you dig Lady MacBeth?  When it comes to killing children in Iraq via ineffective interdiction, we had to rely on Mr MacBeth.  It appalled even the French.  And that was before we went full retard with Don Quixote Bush.

The French? They invented a sport called "parkour," which consists of running and jumping over obstacles.

Leave it to the French to invent a sport that involves running away.

Anywho...

Bush was a good president. When Obama ran in 2008, he promised that he would close Gitmo and return troops from the Middle East in his first year. I knew he was merely pandering for votes and that, once he got into office, he would have all the intel that Bush had available and would continue as Bush v2.0. Sure enough, that's what happened.

Hey. Do you think he wears his Nobel Peace medallion when he orders drone strikes against children and American citizens?

Sanders panders by offering free stuff. ("Sanders Panders." Hm. Has a nice ring to it.) Trump panders by offering a return to America's semi-mythical Golden Age of the mid-twentieth century. Clinton is a flip-flopper beyond Romney's wildest wet dreams, but at heart sheswa conservative Democrat. She's middle-of-the-road, she's experienced, and she knows how the world works.

[Baruch]

You have admitted you troll ... and as long as you are funny, I am good with that ;-)

No, I haven't been happy with any President since Eisenhower ... and that was when I was in diapers.  Every President since then is like one of my dirty diapers.

[widdershins]

I’m not going to deal with everything that was said, just the most glaring inconsistencies.

According to the Immigration and Nationality Act (Sections 212 and 313, specifically), an individual can be denied citizenship if he or she pledges allegiance to a faith which demands obedience to any law over the US Constitution. Ever heard of Sharia law? Look up polls that show just how many Muslims in the US support Sharia law superseding US law.

You do realize that it’s not “Muslims” who want Sharia law, but “SOME Muslims”, right?  You can’t tell who those people are based solely on the fact that they checked the “Muslim” box in the religion questionnaire.  And I don’t hear you calling for a ban on Christians entering the US, because many Christians (ever heard of Kim Davis?) believe this exact same way.  In fact, many of our current politicians have outright said that they believe God’s law trumps US law.  So you lump all Muslims together based on the view of some of them and exclude all Christians even though some of them have that same view.  This isn’t about protecting the country.  It’s about typical right-wing fear-mongering, which they borrowed heavily from fundamentalist Christianity.  If you want people to be scared enough to stay in line you have to give them a devil, and that’s all this is.

Now, as I’ve stated I do agree that Islam, as a whole, is bad juju.  But I cannot agree that we can extend that generalization to all Muslims everywhere.

The article I linked to first discredits the poll you've mentioned. This was the POINT of the article.

Did I ask you to show me "the point of an article"?  Did I even ask you to link "an article"?
You stated THIS:

In fact, according to one poll I've seen recently (I'll link to it if someone cares to see), the Dems are far more racist than the Republicans.

And then:

The article I linked to…

So am I supposed to read your mind here?  When I ask for a poll and you link an article am I supposed to not just click on the link which takes me to "the poll" the article is about?

And how do you defend this?  By bolding the portion of the article claiming that the only poll mentioned in the link you gave is bullshit?  What???  You said you’ve SEEN A POLL.  I would like to see THAT POLL.  Not an article about a poll which shows the opposite of what you claimed, I want THE POLL you “saw” which clearly shows “Dems are far more racist than the Republicans.

You have "seen a poll" showing that Democrats are far more racist than Republicans, right?  You didn't just read some article, make an assumption and then just create evidence in your head that doesn't really exist?  Because the part of the article you highlighted, that doesn't say what you've claimed to have seen either.  The poll mentioned says the OPPOSITE of what you claim and the article just claims (without giving any data) that the poll is total bullshit.  If that's all you have then, no, you have not "seen a poll", nor have you seen ANY evidence to support your claim that Democrats are far more racist than Republicans.  If you have, please post THAT.

[widdershins]

The French? They invented a sport called "parkour," which consists of running and jumping over obstacles.

Leave it to the French to invent a sport that involves running away.

Anywho...

Bush was a good president. When Obama ran in 2008, he promised that he would close Gitmo and return troops from the Middle East in his first year. I knew he was merely pandering for votes and that, once he got into office, he would have all the intel that Bush had available and would continue as Bush v2.0. Sure enough, that's what happened.

Hey. Do you think he wears his Nobel Peace medallion when he orders drone strikes against children and American citizens?

Sanders panders by offering free stuff. ("Sanders Panders." Hm. Has a nice ring to it.) Trump panders by offering a return to America's semi-mythical Golden Age of the mid-twentieth century. Clinton is a flip-flopper beyond Romney's wildest wet dreams, but at heart sheswa conservative Democrat. She's middle-of-the-road, she's experienced, and she knows how the world works.

Which Bush was a good president, may I ask?  George "Mr. Mediocre" Bush or George "War drum" Bush?  The one who did pretty much nothing or the one we're still recovering from?

And yes, Obama made a lot of claims and went back on most of them, and that does piss me off.  I think part of it was that in his inexperience he thought he could do things he later found to be a lot more difficult, part of it was just politics (they're all liars) and part of it, you must admit, was an obstructionist Congress still butthurt by the ACA which can't even agree among themselves on anything except the fact that tantrums must be thrown.

I do want to clear up this killing of "American citizens" thing you right-wingers have been trying for year to make into a big deal, but which really isn't.  It's not like drones are blowing up steak houses in Texas or anything.  Yes, at least one "American citizen" was okayed for drone strike.  But that "American citizen" was also a known terrorist and a traitor.  Do you REALLY have a problem with an "American citizen" who betrayed American by joining a terrorist group to kill Americans being killed?  Because I don't.  As for the "children" being killed, come on.  How many children did your boyfriend Bush kill with his pointless war in Iraq?  You like to "point out hypocrisy", right?  Calling the kettle black and all that?  So take an honest look at those statements and tell me, do you really think they're unbiased?

[Shiranu]

You're wasting your time on him, he admits that he is simply here to troll. He isn't even an idiot, just a pathetic waste of a person.