Porn Viewers More Likely To See Women As Equals

Started by stromboli, March 03, 2016, 09:57:33 AM

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Quote from: Nonsensei on March 03, 2016, 10:21:35 AM
I like this study's conclusions, but the skeptic in me is asking this:

How does seeing a girl take 3 dicks at once result in more positive attitudes toward women holding positions of political power?
It only says that they had viewed an x-rated movie in the last year. I would  assume a normal distribution of what exactly "x-rated" means to  the individual. Most were probably tame compared to what some others have viewed.
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Quote from: Nonsensei on March 03, 2016, 10:21:35 AM
I like this study's conclusions, but the skeptic in me is asking this:

How does seeing a girl take 3 dicks at once result in more positive attitudes toward women holding positions of political power?

It probably doesn't directly it's just a correlation. what is interesting is that there is no negative correlation which should exist if the sex negative feminists were actually onto something.

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Quote from: Nonsensei on March 03, 2016, 10:21:35 AM
I like this study's conclusions, but the skeptic in me is asking this:

How does seeing a girl take 3 dicks at once result in more positive attitudes toward women holding positions of political power?
Anyone who can can take 3 dicks is a fucking trooper. More than the logistics of taking two dicks in one hole, there's the balancing act required. You have to make sure you're giving equal attention to all dicks. It's just bad sport hogging one dick while the others need attention as well.
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Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on March 03, 2016, 06:16:10 PM
Anyone who can can take 3 dicks is a fucking trooper. More than the logistics of taking two dicks in one hole, there's the balancing act required. You have to make sure you're giving equal attention to all dicks. It's just bad sport hogging one dick while the others need attention as well.
That is a skillset that can be applied to the class system. First you master giving each dick equal amount of attention, depending on their needs, and then you can go on to supply enough focus to the issues of the country.

Maybe Sasha Grey should be president....

stromboli

One reason is that women in porn movies are not usually shown as passive and submitting, but active, enthusiastic participants. The idea they get as much joy from it and even initiate the action is decidedly not the woman portrayal that the religious want.

Mermaid

Quote from: stromboli on March 03, 2016, 08:25:55 PM
One reason is that women in porn movies are not usually shown as passive and submitting, but active, enthusiastic participants. The idea they get as much joy from it and even initiate the action is decidedly not the woman portrayal that the religious want.
Plus, they look gratefully up at the man as he splats them in the face with semen.
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Quote from: Mermaid on March 03, 2016, 08:28:10 PM
Plus, they look gratefully up at the man as he splats them in the face with semen.
never understood that, nor the the "splatting" across any body part.
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I think someone is living in a fantasy world a bit too much. I just bet that if you took a survey of say...10,000 women and asked if they feel empowered by porn and if they find the typical porn flick ending to be empowering with the girls getting splattered in the face with sploog you might just find that your odds of getting laid that day go down exponentially.
This 'study' sounds like great spin for the porn industry, but little else.  It's like the NFL having players wear pink. The NFL could care less about breast cancer, but they do want the money that women have to spend.
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Quote from: Nonsensei on March 03, 2016, 10:21:35 AM
I like this study's conclusions, but the skeptic in me is asking this:

How does seeing a girl take 3 dicks at once result in more positive attitudes toward women holding positions of political power?

I am also skeptical in this sense. I think porn sort of objectifies women.
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Atheon

I view porn and I see men and women as equals. So I'm a statistic.
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Quote from: DeltaEpsilon on March 04, 2016, 08:13:49 PM
I am also skeptical in this sense. I think porn sort of objectifies women.

"Sort of" is a bit of an understatement :P.

There is good porn... but the majority of it is shit-tier fantasy that is about as "artistic" and as "realistic" as fifty-shades of grey or twilight. On the bright side I think more artistic and realistic porn is on the come-up. I think pornography is as much an art when done correctly as traditional cinema so... fapper in me aside that makes me happy as well.
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The article's title is "Porn viewers more likely to see women as equals than non-viewers" NOT that porn viewers likley to see women as equals just because they watch porn.

1. Who are non-viewers? Religious extremists and people who were raised/are living in an extremely conservative environment. They are already highly likley to see the women as less than human, the 'inferior gender' by their 'creation'; all their traits, let alone sexual beings. For these people, sex is between a man and a woman to procreate under marital contract.

So yes if you evaluate the issue in contrast with very conservative religious men, I am sure other men have 'better' view of women. Consuming porn is a normal behaviour for adults, it is mainstream. This doesn't mean you have to consume porn to be sexually functional. It just means you are consuming a mainstream product.

2. The expression of the title -and the general language used in the article- reflects the point of view that porn is for male intertainment, because 'men consume porn far more'. (Not correct, het women watch porn much higher than anyone thinks and they have to watch porn designed for het males.)

Problems with research is that

- Observer effect. This is a taboo subject. There will always be self awareness, 'auto-corrections' with participating individuals. And they won't even be aware of that; it's natural self defence. Noone wants to be labeled negatively. Psychological repression is the main undefeatable problem with humans and their attitudes in sexual desires.   

For a research of this kind, more than a Q&A survey, there is a need of a test designed to break the consciousness of participants while answering multiple choice questions. (Long tests) And participants MUST NOT know about what they are being tested about.

-When you ask people if they consume 'porn' to make a research on thier attitudes toward a gender, the answer 'YES' is not the 'key variable'. Because porn is very diverse and The TYPE of porn they watch is important, not that they watch porn. 

-Majority of heterosexual porn doesn't even show the male properly in the frame, because men don't like to see it and the general idea is 'porn is for men'. We are back at the understanding behind the title. If something is designed for one gender in mainstream, how could that can create and equal view for the others?

The fantasy scale is designed for men. Do you know a site that promotes a main fantasy of father&daughter? How many of sons&mothers? How many porn sites promoting teenage girls or school girls as opposed to teenage boys and school boys...etc. We can multiple these examples.

-Porn is NOT a realistic reflection of sex. For both genders. It's not just women who internalise negative gender stereotypes, but also men. 

-Objectification of women in porn is about the role they play. Not them getting naked and having sex in front of a camera. It's about the human culture.

Is porn the sum of diverse acts created between men and women made to satisfy people's sexual desires of a fantasy culture OR is it a product of the current human culture reflecting the attitudes towards those genders? Bit of both? Porn is a product of supply and demand. People do not demand something that doesn't already exist in their culture or the way they DON'T relate to both genders and forms of sexual relationships.

If one day a female porn actress can just quit her job and do something else without her life being affected with her previous occupation; when women will be free to sell their sex and bodies without the control of men -just if they wish- only then porn -also prostitution- will EMPOWER women what ever the role they are playing.

And the solution of this is not transforming 'pimps' into glorified bussiness men or women in porn and prostitution, but providing real freedom; solid unions and laws for these women AND men to sell what is theirs and lead the human culture to accept this as a simple trade.

There is a unbelivable distorted view among men -esp. Western- that female porn stars -or prostitution esp. in EU- are not oppressed or doing what they choose and want at most times. This is a delusion. 

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Solomon Zorn

Of course porn objectifies people. Sex objectifies people by its basic nature. "I'm horny, and your pretty: Make me come."
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Quote from: Solomon Zorn on March 05, 2016, 06:50:13 AM
Sex objectifies people by its basic nature. "I'm horny, and your pretty: Make me come."
And it's often mutually objectifying.
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Quote from: Atheon on March 05, 2016, 09:49:09 AM
And it's often mutually objectifying.

Sex between live people in the same room ... but not with porn, there is only one live person in the room ... the other participant was pre-recorded.
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