Regressive Left

[Sal1981]

A term coined by Maajid Nawaz, the Regressive Left are people who identify as politically left-leaning, but, as the wiki states it and in Maajid Nawaz' own words:

an inherent hesitation to challenge some of the bigotry that can occur within minority communities [...] for the sake of political correctness, for the sake of tolerating what they believe is other cultures and respecting different lifestyles.

Also, Sargon of Akkad has made a vid response to one particular (Regressive) Leftist critic who seems befuddled at the accusation that there even exist Regressive Leftists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbGnGm1dyP8


Personally, I think the Regressive Left, as Sargon of Akkad points out, must have this 'white guilt' trip that they shy away from simply calling a spade a spade and dealing with a Muslim and/or immigrant minority group committing sexual assault, as was seen in Germany & Sweden recently. They even shy away at simply acknowledging crimes being committed.

I, for one, don't care if you're Muslim, brown, white, yellow, atheist, Christian or whatever - actions speak louder than words, and if you happen to be in a minority demographic and you commit a crime (and you're caught), you're equal to the Law of the land and should be treated as such no matter that you're in a minority demographic, and it doesn't matter if you're in a majority demographic either. For me, only the actions, the harm thereof, matters.

[Munch]

I listen to a lot of sargons videos and follow him, and share his views. As someone who gets a pit in his stomach every time I read some third wave feminist agenda or SJW speech that seems to contradict itself. I often seen a lot of the sarkeesian followers raving every time a female character with big boobs appears in a game, but rather then having the creative stance on creating a game they would find 'inoffensive', they just want everyone to think like them and have it removed.

And thats the biggest problem with regressive leftists, they are so far on the opposite end of the scale of what they consider to be moral, they are as bad as those on the opposite extremist right.

[CloneKai]

I don't like this hate the pc culture or regressive left thingy.
if one commits a crime, punish him or her accordingly. dont bring the entire community in there, unless you actually want to improve them, not just deport them or dehumanize them.
muslims are being dehumanize now. politician who says shit about muslims are gaining powers, and they don't want to talk, they just want to push there policies against them.

i don't know about white guilt but i like how he talked like white doing bad shit happened in distant past, Afghanistan, Iraq anyone.

People might be concerned about these horror muslim commits against muslim but not much, otherwise they would have little different foreign policy.
Muslim back home always says, that these white folks talk about human rights and all but their actions doesn't seems to follow. human right only matter when its a westerner, otherwise...

wish i had pc culture back home. but no, we just blame our minorities happily.

[mauricio]

A term coined by Maajid Nawaz, the Regressive Left are people who identify as politically left-leaning, but, as the wiki states it and in Maajid Nawaz' own words:
Also, Sargon of Akkad has made a vid response to one particular (Regressive) Leftist critic who seems befuddled at the accusation that there even exist Regressive Leftists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbGnGm1dyP8


Personally, I think the Regressive Left, as Sargon of Akkad points out, must have this 'white guilt' trip that they shy away from simply calling a spade a spade and dealing with a Muslim and/or immigrant minority group committing sexual assault, as was seen in Germany & Sweden recently. They even shy away at simply acknowledging crimes being committed.

I, for one, don't care if you're Muslim, brown, white, yellow, atheist, Christian or whatever - actions speak louder than words, and if you happen to be in a minority demographic and you commit a crime (and you're caught), you're equal to the Law of the land and should be treated as such no matter that you're in a minority demographic, and it doesn't matter if you're in a majority demographic either. For me, only the actions, the harm thereof, matters.

Maajid nawaz is one of the most sober voices on the topic of islamism. I recommended anyone to watch his speeches and interviews. The term regressive leftist is getting used beyond the islamism nowadays kind of like a more mainstream friendly version of SJW. But hopefully his eloquent definition does not get completely lost in the internet wars.

[mauricio]

I don't like this hate the pc culture or regressive left thingy.
if one commits a crime, punish him or her accordingly. dont bring the entire community in there, unless you actually want to improve them, not just deport them or dehumanize them.
muslims are being dehumanize now. politician who says shit about muslims are gaining powers, and they don't want to talk, they just want to push there policies against them.

i don't know about white guilt but i like how he talked like white doing bad shit happened in distant past, Afghanistan, Iraq anyone.

People might be concerned about these horror muslim commits against muslim but not much, otherwise they would have little different foreign policy.
Muslim back home always says, that these white folks talk about human rights and all but their actions doesn't seems to follow. human right only matter when its a westerner, otherwise...

wish i had pc culture back home. but no, we just blame our minorities happily.

I do not think you really got the intended meaning of the ideas of maajid, rather watch him speak than sargon, sargon is kind of bad at debating and speaking live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CYuwBcPObQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHCpc_bXo5w

[CloneKai]

I do not think you really got the intended meaning of the ideas of maajid, rather watch him speak than sargon, sargon is kind of bad at debating and speaking live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CYuwBcPObQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHCpc_bXo5w

come on 50 minutes of videos.
i might not understand the term correctly, but i have a problem with the way people use it.
maybe you can tell me the main points and not make me watch the entire video. i am still catching up on my lessons on "laicity" 

[mauricio]

come on 50 minutes of videos.
i might not understand the term correctly, but i have a problem with the way people use it.
maybe you can tell me the main points and not make me watch the entire video. i am still catching up on my lessons on "laicity" 

Well hes a charismatic speaker just skim the video you might find him entrancing and end up watching it all, happened to me and to other friends gave the links. This is the part where they talk about the regressive left:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ0LHBpWd4E

You can also read the wikipedia article of regressive left.

[josephpalazzo]

I have said similar things on this forum for quite a while. Left-wing ideology is just as bad as right-wing ideology: both are riddled with logical inconsistencies. Those who espouse such ideology want to conform the fact-based world to their ideas, rather than conform their ideas to the fact based world which is what scientists do all the time.

[Atheon]

The regressive left or the authoritarian left. Yes, as a liberal (libertarian left) I can't stand them. They are not liberals. They are censorious and doctrinaire, and oppose free speech and react to differing opinions not by reasonable debate, but by shouting down and threatening the opponent. They are basically the far right of the left, since they have circled around.

They are also very self-contradictory ("Why aren't more men feminists?" <-> "Men can't be feminists!" - they say both), and they love to attack those who are on their side politically. Have you fought against racism all your life? Yes? But are you white? Yes? Then you are automatically a racist. You must admit this and atone. But you will always be a racist because of the color of your skin, not because of what you do. But somehow, that attitude isn't racist.

Do you object to using made-up, unpronounceable "pronouns" like xhie and zhyzr as a default? Die, you cis-normative dudebro sithlord scum!

Fuck them.

[drunkenshoe]

According to the 'regressive left' defined here in this thread over all, the minorities of any kind in Europe -or in a very different yet similar way in the USA with SJWs-MRAs groups; religious groups or racial groups...etc. who are supposedly threaten the lives, life styles and social culture and equality among the Western peoples are the only ones who are actually doing something 'active' about what they believe in, doesn't matter what it is.

But the left doesn't do anything, more than that almost like insists on doing nothing in face of these threats, even supports these groups and their movements.

What is it?

-there is an actual threat and they run with the hare and hunt with the hounds, because it's beneficial and profitable
-there is no actual threat, but it is beneficial and profitable to maintain the division of class and culture among peoples
-there is an actual threat, but it doesn't upset the current balance which is beneficial and profitable
-there is no actual threat, but the perception of a threat is necessary to build a deeper and bigger division of class and culture among peoples to maintain the current benefits and profits with the new demographics, politcial climate and economical problems
-there is an actual threat, but it doesn't even touch the white left liberals or what is beneficial or profitable for them.

-it doesn't matter if there is an actual threat or not, it is always benefical and profitable to create a huge crisis out of the status quo if it is managable;it is far easy to manipulate every issue under 'extreme' circumstances, proivdes new opportunities.

-everything is out of control, they have no idea if there is an actual threat or not, they are just living day by day.


In the USA, there are many SJWs, but the label is stigmatised by the mass media and reduced it in to 'feminists' by the sensational material that gets massive ratings very easily and provides good profit and benefit for young individuals living attached to their comps, giving a side and 'character'; a 'cause' to them in their land of freedom, free from any issues (!). Another SJW group, MRAs were born as a reaction to this group, relying on them; doing exactly the same thing and these two groups are doing nothing real but name calling each other like 9 year olds in a school yard.

It seems that any real group trying to do something about a real issue ends up being lumped with other annoying groups as SJWs.

The only natural group to fight against this 'mess' in a productive secular manner can come from a white educated high class, but there is no such thing. Just creatures like Trump in the States and that covers batshit crazy and genocidal. Because, overall in Europe or in the United States; left in the EU and 'liberal left' in the US; the EDUCATED HIGH WHITE CLASS is not even touched by any of this pile of bullshit, real or delusional. This makes them the very group, all those other groups and sub groups -you love to hate and love to lump together- see against themselves and want to fight against by definition in the first place.

And you are definning this situation as 'regressive left' while it is highly beneficial and profitable for the left in many levels? If you are aware what is this thing called left of course. Left has not become regressive, it is the left that has always been. Left hasn't changed. Western civilisation reached a point to harvest what it sowed in terms of domestic and international policies. The only thing is that changed in this picture in the last decade is the majority of people stopped being 'leftists' when bombs started to go off around and the minority demographics got higher. They have become the 'right wing bigots' themselves that they despised wholeheartedly just a 15 years ago.

It's convenient to be a leftist for an individual when there is no threat of terrorism, when you are clueless what is going on outisde -or inside too actually-the 'walls' along with the international politics and consequences coming in. Again by definition a shade of white class.


Well, it seems Islamic terrorism has already won. Because what you desire the 'left' to be is the Christian Right Wing in disguise.





 

[Sal1981]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjndBbLDZc

[drunkenshoe]

It's really a high point in irony to watch a guy who calls himself 'amazing atheist', having obessive, self-aggrandizing, loud rants with sensational, hyperbolic language and name calling over an exclusively American group, criticising the understanding of nuance in American culture and telling that "SJWs actively oppose nuance and not too stupid to recognise nuance". Oh my.

This man was around 15 years old when 9/11 happened. SJWs are a group that got active in the second half of the 2000s -he wasn't even at drinking age- they got defined/stigmatised as SJWs in 2011 and he is talking about how long in years he has been thinking about these subjects before they become the flavour of the month. Oh boy.



And this is one of the masturbation videos of our resident MRAs supporters. Come on guys, let's see some likes for the video. You know you like the show.


 

[AllPurposeAtheist]

You know Shoe, I'm not quite the eloquent writer you are, but one little parallel I've seen kind of along the same line is the NFL and their so called breast cancer awareness campaign with players wearing bits of pink here and there.  To the casual observer this might mean that the NFL actually gives a rats ass about breast cancer and there might even be a few players who do care, but the NFL? It's a marketing scheme aimed at women to buy into the idea that they have to become big football fans and buy jerseys and all the other crap marketted by the NFL to make people feel like they're actually doing something productive other than squandering money on frivelous crap. I'm sure there are probably a few people, hell, a lot of people who believe that if they wear a little pink bracelet that somehow magically breast cancer will just go away.
That's just one tiny example and probably not a very good one, but it goes to the larger issue that wherever there is any kind of perceived injustice there will be someone just waiting to pick your pocket and declare themselves as the champion of the masses..

[mauricio]

It's really a high point in irony to watch a guy who calls himself 'amazing atheist', having obessive, self-aggrandizing, loud rants with sensational, hyperbolic language and name calling over an exclusively American group, criticising the understanding of nuance in American culture and telling that "SJWs actively oppose nuance and not too stupid to recognise nuance". Oh my.

This man was around 15 years old when 9/11 happened. SJWs are a group that got active in the second half of the 2000s -he wasn't even at drinking age- they got defined/stigmatised as SJWs in 2011 and he is talking about how long in years he has been thinking about these subjects before they become the flavour of the month. Oh boy.



And this is one of the masturbation videos of our resident MRAs supporters. Come on guys, let's see some likes for the video. You know you like the show.


 

J

Hes right though. TJ has become more openminded than the general perception of him is. When he actually talks with honesty and without trolling like in that video. Also you talk about the educated people (lets ignore the race thing since many brown educated people are also helping) fighting in a productive way against this. That is exactly what is happening. The stand for freedom of speech done by organizations like FIRE and people like christina hoff sommers, dave rubin, alluhm bokari and maajid nawaz. They are doing something productive by defending the baseline of the culture that allows for the debate to occur. Between polarized oppositions of liberals and conservatives and other ideologies that have not yet demonstrated their claims to the point of justifying closure of certain topics of discussion the only truly ehtical neccesity is to sustain freedom of speech to keep a fair discussion going. Even though people are still fallible and will become tribalistic after enough months of arguing the same points against the same sides, still good ideas are flowing through.

[drunkenshoe]

You know Shoe, I'm not quite the eloquent writer you are, but one little parallel I've seen kind of along the same line is the NFL and their so called breast cancer awareness campaign with players wearing bits of pink here and there.  To the casual observer this might mean that the NFL actually gives a rats ass about breast cancer and there might even be a few players who do care, but the NFL? It's a marketing scheme aimed at women to buy into the idea that they have to become big football fans and buy jerseys and all the other crap marketted by the NFL to make people feel like they're actually doing something productive other than squandering money on frivelous crap. I'm sure there are probably a few people, hell, a lot of people who believe that if they wear a little pink bracelet that somehow magically breast cancer will just go away.
That's just one tiny example and probably not a very good one, but it goes to the larger issue that wherever there is any kind of perceived injustice there will be someone just waiting to pick your pocket and declare themselves as the champion of the masses..

Everything posted here in this thread is a marketing product, APA. From marketing a political side to marketing issues, issues of what to hate and what to support; what is happening. There are so many created, fake problems and so many people who are ready to buy them in dire need, opportunities are endless. It is the best self satisfying, self affirming set of products. It's an endless fire sale.

They finally invented a set of products that doesn't need production, doesn't end with consumption that they can make people sell it to themselves over and over again with self added accessories and sell it to themselves all over again. An existence with designed problems; a defined gender; certain personal traits and issues and the political solution is free if you buy the whole set.  I bow to American capitalism.