Submissive relationships

[mauricio]

And thus this bullshit begins again...

Nah because she just can't respond and won't. She's unable to understand my simple semantic argument as was demonstrated some months ago. Continue berating the other guy in peace.

[mauricio]

It's only natural for a girl to want to be submissive.

Can you elaborate on this?

[Nonsensei]

Can you elaborate on this?

No. He can't.

[Jannabear]

I will specify that I'm talking to an extreme point, not just being in a more loving relationship or having someone to lean on, but letting someone be in control and being submissive emotionally, and I also want to clarify that most women don't want this, or not to the extreme I do.

[Mermaid]

Meh. It doesn't matter what anyone else wants. What blows your skirt up blows your skirt up.

[Jannabear]

Relationships are more complex than dominant vs. submissive. Given certain situations, the better skilled or able can take the lead. In social situations where I don't know anyone, my wife leads. I'm rather awkward in those situations. But together we can get through that.
I'm aware of this, I'm not saying it has to be one way or the other, or that it's one extreme or another.
In decisions, one may defer or establish the choice based on who it impacts more or who is more qualified.
I don't mean that I'll let them control everything, just things that I'm comfortable with.
Also, support can be on an as-needed basis. If one person has a bad day at work, the other should be supportive no matter who "is stronger" in professional and high-stress environments. 
I just want to be the submissive girl, that doesn't mean that I can't support her.
I just don't have any experience where I was dating or married to someone who was submissive in all aspects of our lives. It's situational.
I'm not a common type of person.

[Jannabear]

Meh. It doesn't matter what anyone else wants. What blows your skirt up blows your skirt up.

I'm not just speaking sexually, I mean I'm submissive in most aspects of my personality.

[mauricio]

I'm not just speaking sexually, I mean I'm submissive in most aspects of my personality.

Emotional independence is the best you should try out. Im sorta submissive too but mainly in the sense that i do not exert my will over others and rather follow them on their social plans. Because im lazy and because im not particulary skillful at engineering social situations. But my mind and my emotions i try to keep independant of other people even when on a close relationship. That way i remain a master of my well being and protect myself.

[Jannabear]

Emotional independence is the best you should try out.

Not for me personally.

[Mermaid]

I'm not just speaking sexually, I mean I'm submissive in most aspects of my personality.

Same answer.

[kilodelta]

I'm not a common type of person.

Once you realize that you really aren't, the happier you will be and easier it'll become to actually learn from others. Our commonalities far outweigh our individual uniqueness. But, you'll really only realize this with more life experience. I too had thought I was an exceptionally special thing when I was younger...

[kilodelta]

I'm not a common type of person.

Your insistence that you be the submissive one in a relationship kind of proves my point about lead and follow being situational. You are not being submissive when you insist the other lead...

...but letting someone be in control...

In other words, you are imposing control over them to make them in control in most everything else... That seems rather selfish.

I mean I'm submissive in most aspects of my personality.

Bullshit. If this were really true, then you be responding with "You're absolutely right kilodelta. I submit to your opinion in the matter. What should I do next?"

If you are submissive, you will go stand at the position of attention (google it) for two hours while facing the wall and being perfectly still. Set an alarm to let you know when the two hours ends. Don't forget to keep your knees bent so that you don't pass out. Report back to me as soon as you're done.

[Jannabear]

Your insistence that you be the submissive one in a relationship kind of proves my point about lead and follow being situational. You are not being submissive when you insist the other lead...
Saying "insist" implies that the person I'm submissive to doesn't want to be dominant, which isn't the case for whoever I date.
In other words, you are imposing control over them to make them in control in most everything else... That seems rather selfish.
No, I'm not.
Bullshit. If this were really true, then you be responding with "You're absolutely right kilodelta. I submit to your opinion in the matter. What should I do next?"
being submissive is on a gradient, some people aren't submissive, some are slightly submissive, some are extremely submissive, and some treat others as if they were a god.
If you are submissive, you will go stand at the position of attention (google it) for two hours while facing the wall and being perfectly still. Set an alarm to let you know when the two hours ends. Don't forget to keep your knees bent so that you don't pass out. Report back to me as soon as you're done.
It's on a gradient.

[Jannabear]

It's not up to others what's 'natural' for women or not.

Being a feminist has nothing to do with being dominant or submissive. I can be a feminist and submit to the man I love. Feminism is about letting me do what I decide to do, not what others think because it is natural for a woman.

I'm more referring to the 3rd wave of feminism, the ones who say, not only are these things wrong to impose on people, but they're wrong to do at all, which is a disgusting position.

[mauricio]

I'm more referring to the 3rd wave of feminism, the ones who say, not only are these things wrong to impose on people, but they're wrong to do at all, which is a disgusting position.

Is not so much about waves but about groups of feminists that believe in a utopia that can only be achieved by the destruction of our current culture. The nuclear family has to go and children need to be raised communaly so women can finally stop being oppresed. Therefore we must not support stay at home mothers because that would be detrimental to achieving the utopia. All of this are ideas of the prominent feminist simone de beauvoir

“no woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children […] because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” - simone de beauvoir

Simone was opposing the view of giving stay at home mothers a pension for the work of raising their children in that quote, but her wording was weird but it was the topic she was discussing. Im too lazy to find the full paragraph quote now...

To this kind of feminist it is not about personal choice. It is about "the greater good" of achieving their utopia.