If you support shillary...

[Hydra009]

Oh god. Please at least vote for Hillary so Trump doesn't get elected. I don't support Hillary, but I sure as hell would rather her than ANY of the republican candidates.

So please. I beg of you. If it comes down to Hillary vs whatever republican is left instead of Bernie, PLEASE vote Hillary so we're not left with one of those guys. When it's a choice between the lesser of 2 evils and you have Hillary, who is evil and the entire cast of  republicans (who are 1000000x more evil) Hillary needs to be picked.

Believe me, I don't want Hillary to be our president, but holy shit. I would rather her than those other nut-cases.

I agree with this 100%.  But I also think that we shouldn't force voters to choose between the lesser of two evils on election day.  We can stop that from happening by voting smart in the primary.

[josephpalazzo]

Once again, I've noticed that your rebuttals of my arguments don't actually rebut anything I'm actually saying.  The argument wasn't that she simply changed her mind, but she lied about her past stance.

I'm not trying to rebut, but for you to see the bigger picture. I guess I failed in that endeavor.

[PickelledEggs]

I agree with this 100%.  But I also think that we shouldn't force voters to choose between the lesser of two evils on election day.  We can stop that from happening by voting smart in the primary.

Exactly. I hope that Hillary doesn't win the primaries and Bernie wins instead. That would luckily make this whole thread irrelevant.... but on the chance that we do we should think about in advance about what actions we take. I hate "lesser of two evils" choices, but reality is, sometimes we have to make them.... as much as I'd hate to admit it.

[Nonsensei]

Wow, really...

"After law school, Hillary could have gone to work for a prestigious law firm, but took a job at the Children’s Defense Fund. She worked with teenagers incarcerated in adult prisons in South Carolina and families with disabled children in Massachusetts. It sparked a lifelong passion for helping children live up to their potential."

"Standing in front of a U.N. conference and declaring that “women’s rights are human rights” was more controversial than it sounds today. Many within the U.S. government didn’t want Hillary to go to Beijing. Others wanted her to pick a less polarizing topic (you say polarizing, we say half the population). But Hillary was determined to speak out about human rights abuses, and her message became a rallying cry for a generation."

"Hillary Clinton was the principal author of the sanction on Iran that brought them to the table.

"Her accomplishments extend to health care, as well. As First Lady, she helped create and guide through Congress Children’s Health Insurance Program, a key program that brought health care coverage to millions of children. As a Senator, she worked across the aisle to provide full military health benefits to reservists and National Guard members."

"Hillary Clinton was instrumental in helping secure $21 billion in federal aid to help New York rebuild after 9/11. She fought tooth and nail to protect the first responders who rushed into danger when the towers collapsed and was pivotal in the passage of legislation that helped those first responders who got sick get the care and treatment they deserved."

I could go on and on on her accomplishments. A single google search would help you to enlighten yourself and avoid this embarrassing post...

A list that could probably be compiled for any number of Washington players. Also, its written in a very flattering way. Where did you get it, hillaryclinton.com?

I guess I'm just way more cynical than you about this. Where you see a list of actions that denote intent and character, I see an ambitious person creating stepping stones to her goal. How does the sort of person who would work at the children's defense fund instead of making a boatload of money, or stand up for womens rights at the UN or any of those other things end up coming off so fake and insincere? Wheres the passionate person who should exist based on this self aggrandizing list of accomplishments?

Does she really give a fuck about any of these issues? Does she give a fuck about us? Or was it just resume building for her presidential bid?

[Jannabear]

Oh god. Please at least vote for Hillary so Trump doesn't get elected. I don't support Hillary, but I sure as hell would rather her than ANY of the republican candidates.

So please. I beg of you. If it comes down to Hillary vs whatever republican is left instead of Bernie, PLEASE vote Hillary so we're not left with one of those guys. When it's a choice between the lesser of 2 evils and you have Hillary, who is evil and the entire cast of  republicans (who are 1000000x more evil) Hillary needs to be picked.

Believe me, I don't want Hillary to be our president, but holy shit. I would rather her than those other nut-cases.

Bernie does better in general election polls, this whole "hillary is more electable" bullshit is getting old.

[FaithIsFilth]

I don't understand Hillary supporters trying to defend her character. She's a piece of shit, no ifs ands or buts. Stop trying to argue that she's a decent human being, or a human being at all, because no one is buying it. Stick with the lesser of two evils argument, because that's the only decent argument there is. She's a sociopath. She doesn't care about women (laughing at rape victims). She has said some very racist things (black youths are super predators with no conscience or empathy, and they need to be brought to heel). Even media outlets like the Young Turks are saying black people are stupid if they vote for someone like Hillary who thinks in that kind of way about black people. Black lives matter? No, they need to be brought to heel.

It was reported that Hillary doesn't like how some adoption agencies are changing their forms to say Parent 1 and Parent 2, rather than mother and father. What's her deal? Does she not like gay adoption or something? The reality is, Hillary is pretty much a Republican who doesn't give a shit about blacks, LGBTQ folks, or women. So, she doesn't give a shit about those people, and she sounds like she's going to be worse than Obama on foreign policy. Her only redeeming quality is that she's not Donald Trump... but she actually is Donald Trump. Hillary or Trump would be pretty much the same thing. Sanders would at least be a bit different/ better.

[josephpalazzo]

A list that could probably be compiled for any number of Washington players. Also, its written in a very flattering way. Where did you get it, hillaryclinton.com?

I guess I'm just way more cynical than you about this. Where you see a list of actions that denote intent and character, I see an ambitious person creating stepping stones to her goal. How does the sort of person who would work at the children's defense fund instead of making a boatload of money, or stand up for womens rights at the UN or any of those other things end up coming off so fake and insincere? Wheres the passionate person who should exist based on this self aggrandizing list of accomplishments?

Does she really give a fuck about any of these issues? Does she give a fuck about us? Or was it just resume building for her presidential bid?

I guess when she was 28 years old, she had already figured it out that all of her good actions would look good on her resume when she would be running for the president spot in 40 years from then ... if you believe that, I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you...Look, if you want to dig skeletons in ANYONE's past you'll find them. Applying some moral code, which is quite arbitrary by the very nature of what is a moral code,  would disqualify 100% of the human race. Call it "choosing the lesser of evils", or "choosing the best" among those who run is frankly a matter semantics. But anyway, your post #38 was way out of the woods. If it helps you to demonize her, that's your loss.

[Jannabear]

I guess when she was 28 years old, she had already figured it out that all of her good actions would look good on her resume when she would be running for the president spot in 40 years from then ... if you believe that, I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you...Look, if you want to dig skeletons in ANYONE's past you'll find them. Applying some moral code, which is quite arbitrary by the very nature of what is a moral code,  would disqualify 100% of the human race. Call it "choosing the lesser of evils", or "choosing the best" among those who run is frankly a matter semantics. But anyway, your post #38 was way out of the woods. If it helps you to demonize her, that's your loss.

"If you want to dig skeletons in anyone's past you'll find them"
You're acting as if all the shit she's being accused of was like 40 fucking years ago, it wasn't.
She was a homophobic retard in 2010.
She supported going into iraq.
she CURRENTLY takes funding from corporations, and millionaires and billionaires.
So you're full of fucking shit.

[PopeyesPappy]

[josephpalazzo]

[Nonsensei]

I guess when she was 28 years old, she had already figured it out that all of her good actions would look good on her resume when she would be running for the president spot in 40 years from then ... if you believe that, I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you...Look, if you want to dig skeletons in ANYONE's past you'll find them. Applying some moral code, which is quite arbitrary by the very nature of what is a moral code,  would disqualify 100% of the human race. Call it "choosing the lesser of evils", or "choosing the best" among those who run is frankly a matter semantics. But anyway, your post #38 was way out of the woods. If it helps you to demonize her, that's your loss.

Look man I am not going out of my way to demonize her. I'm just giving my honest impressions of her as a candidate. to be blunt I don't really feel great about any of these fucking jackasses, Sanders included but at least with Sanders he can halfway convince me he gives a shit about SOMETHING and maybe his run is only 90% about self aggrandizing ego stroking rather than 100%.

[josephpalazzo]

Look man I am not going out of my way to demonize her. I'm just giving my honest impressions of her as a candidate. to be blunt I don't really feel great about any of these fucking jackasses, Sanders included but at least with Sanders he can halfway convince me he gives a shit about SOMETHING and maybe his run is only 90% about self aggrandizing ego stroking rather than 100%.

Sanders is selling a dream. You can get that from a priest  in any church of your choice. A more pertinent question is who is competent enough to get certain things done. Perhaps Sanders will win the nomination, but the only people rejoicing in that, besides his supporters, will be the GOP. They have invested so much money sticking scandal after scandal on Hillary - same tactics they did on Bill - that if Hillary loses, it's a GOP win right there, and for Sanders, a Jewish socialist in the White House is a hard sell. But even if he surmounts the odds, his program is poison to Republicans, and not very tasteful to his own party, that he has virtually no chance of getting anything done. Electing Sanders will be an exercise in futility. At least with Hillary, she has the experience with the muck the GOP will be throwing her way. And she knows how to work the Washington people to get some of her programs, even though she will have to compromise, but no one gets anything done without compromise, that's the nature of the political beast. To you, compromising may be a fault, but in politics, it is a virtue.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

"If you want to dig skeletons in anyone's past you'll find them"
You're acting as if all the shit she's being accused of was like 40 fucking years ago, it wasn't.
She was a homophobic retard in 2010.
She supported going into iraq.
she CURRENTLY takes funding from corporations, and millionaires and billionaires.
So you're full of fucking shit.

I know back seat modding isn't really approved of, but can you make one post without spitting vile at those who disagree with you?

[Baruch]

Putin likes Trump.  I like Putin.  So I like Trump.  The business of America, is business.  All lawyers should be prohibited from serving in the Legislative or Executive branches ... keep them in the Judicial branch where they belong.  Obama would make a fine SC Justice.  Sanders would make a fine secretary of HHS.  Hillary would make a fine ambassador to Libya ;-)  The American Dream is dead ... long live the Russian Dream.

[mauricio]

I hope trump wins and wakes the shit up of the left and libertarians of america. You all sound like battered wifes with the lesser of two evils argument.