Refugee crisis? What refugee crisis?

[pr126]

In fact, there is no crisis at all.

Merkel has simply fulfilled a contract that was in the works for some time now.
The EU has worked on this since the early 70's

Google MEDEA: European Institute for Research on Euro-Arab Cooperation

This came after the 1973 Arab Israeli war when the OPEC imposed an oil embargo.
The EU then made a deal with the Arabs to secure the oil supply.

The mass Muslim immigration was part of the deal.

Legacy of 1973 Arab-Israeli war reverberates 40 years on

Fuel shortages

Arab oil exporters who dominated the global energy market at the time decided to punish the West for backing Israel by using what it called ''The Oil Weapon".

Prices were suddenly hiked and output was cut.

There were fuel shortages, a stock market crash and a global economic slowdown whose effects were felt for years. The 55 mph speed limit on some federal roads in the United States dates from the period when desperate attempts were made to save fuel.

Europe and the United States began cultivating alternative oil suppliers and thinking about alternative energy and fuel saving. The death knell was sounded for the gas-guzzling car.

French ex-President Charles de Gaulle is the founding father of Eurabia

Where does this mess come from? Who is responsible for all of this? Who created this insanity that is now our Muslim problems, our biggest threat to our future and existence, the cause of vicious crimes, import of medieval standards, economic strains and decline, the mess that Europe is in today?

The whole problem originates from Europe’s Arab headquarters: France.
France with the backing of the EU Commission. And this is where aggressive lawsuits need to be pointed. The MEDEA Institute and the European Institute of Research on Mediterranean and Euro-Arab Cooperation and other meddling organizations need to be shut-down. And we need to reverse policies and decisions to pre-PAEAC and before the EU gave permission for Arab infiltration into our countries, where even the horrid and violent Arab history was re-written and glorified to our children, without any accuracies at all.


    During a November 27, 1967 press conference, Charles de Gaulle stated openly that French cooperation with the Arab world had become “the fundamental basis of our foreign policy.” Five years later in Paris, July 1974, the Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation was created, under the Euro-Arab Dialogue rubric.

    The Euro-Arab political agenda constructed a common foreign policy. France was the driving force in this unification, which had already been envisaged by General de Gaulle’s inner circle and Arab politicians.

*    The Arab states demanded from Europe European pressure on the United States to align with their Arab policy and demonization of Israel as a threat to world peace, as well as measures favorable to Arab immigration and dissemination of Islamic culture in Europe.

*    Up to 1973 the Palestinians had been known only as Arab refugees, even by other Arabs. The concept of a Palestinian “nation” simply did not exist.

*    While Charles de Gaulle imported millions of Arabs into Europe and bent backwards on their demands he didn’t make a single demand on Arabia for the same equality and rights to be issued to non-Muslims or Europeans on Arabian soil.
   
*    The Arab political agenda also demanded that our educational materials change to a pro-Palestinian one, and a new but inaccurate depiction of Arab history as one of victims (of crusaders and Israel), scientists, innovators and grandeur which was contrary to historical facts. The root of Islam originates from the bedouin’s who were illiterate desert dwellers and frequently responsible for highway robberies, and not scientists and innovators. The crusaders fought against the Caliphates to defend their own land, not to conquer Arab land.

These agreements could not be set forth in written documents and treaties due to their politically sensitive and fundamentally undemocratic nature. The European leaders thus carefully chose to call their ideas “dialogue.” All meetings, committees and working groups included representatives from European Community nations and the European Council along with members from Arab countries and the Arab League. Proceedings and decisions took place in closed sessions. No official minutes were recorded.

The Euro-Arab Dialogue (EAD) is a political, economic and cultural institution designed to ensure perfect cohesion between Europeans and Arabs. Its structure was set up at conferences in Copenhagen (15 December 1973), and Paris (31 July 1974). The principal agent of this policy is the European Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation, founded in 1974. The other principal organs of The Dialogue are the MEDEA Institute and the European Institute of Research on Mediterranean and Euro-Arab Cooperation, created in 1995 with the backing of the European Commission.

In an interview with Jamie Glazov of Frontpage Magazine, Bat Ye’or explained how “in domestic policy, the EAD established a close cooperation between the Arab and European media television, radio, journalists, publishing houses, academia, cultural centers, school textbooks, student and youth associations, tourism. Church interfaith dialogues were determinant in the development of this policy. Eurabia is therefore this strong Euro-Arab network of associations â€" a comprehensive symbiosis with cooperation and partnership on policy, economy, demography and culture.”

Eurabia’s driving force, the Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation, was created in Paris in 1974. It now has over six hundred members â€" from all major European political parties â€" active in their own national parliaments, as well as in the European parliament. France continues to be the key protagonist of this association.

A wide-ranging policy was sketched out. It entailed a symbiosis of Europe with the Muslim Arab countries that would endow Europe â€" and especially France, the project’s prime mover â€" with a weight and a prestige to rival that of the United States. This policy was undertaken quite discreetly, and well outside of official treaties, using the innocent-sounding name of the Euro-Arab Dialogue. The organization functioned under the auspices of European government ministers, working in close association with their Arab counterparts, and with the representatives of the European Commission and the Arab League.

The goal was the creation of a pan-Mediterranean entity, permitting the free circulation both of men and of goods.

This book explains in detail what happened: Eurabia  The Euro-Arab Axis[/quote]

[Baruch]

Given DeGaulle's negative relationship with the Algeria crisis ... this seems too weird to be true (of him).  Maybe someone else promoted it.  Or is this simply anti-French rhetoric?  The French imported low cost labor from W Africa, for the same reasons Spain imported workers from Morocco, and Germany imported workers from Turkey.  Are you saying that Europe is a slave of Arabia, since 1973?

[pr126]

The loss of Algeria, Indochina was a blow for de Gaulle, and he still wanted something big to replace lost dreams. Eurabia was just the ticket for him.


There is the www to find out for yourself.

[Baruch]

The loss of Algeria, Indochina was a blow for de Gaulle, and he still wanted something big to replace lost dreams. Eurabia was just the ticket for him.

Unless you knew him personally, this is just like saying that JFK wanted to nuke Castro but was too busy laying women.

So when are you going to do the British thing, draft all the young men, including immigrants, and send them to China etc to be ... wasted?  This isn't just an immigrant problem, and worse for Europe since y'all don't want to employ young men anyway.

[pr126]

Unless you knew him personally, this is just like saying that JFK wanted to nuke Castro but was too busy laying women.

So when are you going to do the British thing, draft all the young men, including immigrants, and send them to China etc to be ... wasted?  This isn't just an immigrant problem, and worse for Europe since y'all don't want to employ young men anyway.

Look, don't take my word for it.
You have the Internet, do your own research, that is if you are really interested.
I gave my version (opinion) with links. Take it or leave it.
And stop the silly talk. It does not add to the discussion.
Thanks .

[PopeyesPappy]

*    Up to 1973 the Palestinians had been known only as Arab refugees, even by other Arabs. The concept of a Palestinian “nation” simply did not exist.

The idea of split Arab/Jewish states in that part of the world had been around for more than 20 years prior to 1973. This map was drawn up in 1947.

[pr126]

Yes. Israel was formed 1948.
But we are talking about the Euro / Arab "dialog".
The thread is about the reason for the mass invasion of Europe by Muslims.

[PopeyesPappy]

The statement you quoted said that prior to 73 "The concept of a Palestinian “nation” simply did not exist." That statement is not true. The talk prior to the formation of Israel in 1948 had centered around both a Jewish and an Arab state. I don't know that if both an Arab and a Jewish state had happened we would have gotten a different result from what we see today, but claims there was no concept of a Palestinian nation at the time are attempts to support an agenda by revising history. 

[pr126]

The statement you quoted said that prior to 73 "The concept of a Palestinian “nation” simply did not exist." That statement is not true. The talk prior to the formation of Israel in 1948 had centered around both a Jewish and an Arab state. I don't know that if both an Arab and a Jewish state had happened we would have gotten a different result from what we see today, but claims there was no concept of a Palestinian nation at the time are attempts to support an agenda by revising history. 

There was no country, nation, state, government, borders, currency called Palestine. Ever.

The whole idea was created by Arafat after the 1967 war and the propaganda has endured ever since.
Tell a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth.

The area called Palestine was a British mandate, taken from the Turks after WWI. It was not a state with recognized government, borders, currency, or whatever needed that makes a sovereign state.

There was and still is an Arab state, called Jordan, or back then Transjordan.

After a half a century of propaganda, lies and misinformation by the world the truth is no longer accepted, no matter how much evidence there is.

http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/foundation-state-israel

http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/History/Pages/Facts%20about%20Israel-%20History.aspx

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/ishisttoc.html

Anyway, all this is history, and while relevant, the thread is about Europe at the present, and how it was engineered to become what it is today.


“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” - George Orwell

[PopeyesPappy]

Once again the statement you quoted said that prior to the 70s "The concept of a Palestinian “nation” simply did not exist." is bullshit. You are correct that there hadn't ever been a state called Palestine, but the idea that there should be an Arab state in that part of the world dates to at least 1947. 

The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) was created on 15 May 1947in response to a United Kingdom government request that the General Assembly "make recommendations under article 10 of the Charter, concerning the future government of Palestine".

The Report of the Committee dated 3 September 1947 supported the termination of the British mandate in Palestine. It contained a majority proposal for a Plan of Partition into two independent states with Economic Union (CHAPTER VI) and a minority proposal for a Plan for one Federal union with Jerusalem as its capital (CHAPTER VII). On 29 November 1947 the General Assembly adopted Resolution 181, based on the UNSCOP majority plan (with only slight modifications to the proposed recommendations).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Special_Committee_on_Palestine

The UN recommended a two state solution, one Arab the other Jewish, to what was referred to as the Palestinian question decades before the 70s. The concept of a Palestinian state prior to the 70s is not propaganda created in the 67 War by Arafat. It is well documented historical fact. Attempts to write this fact out of history in an attempt to delegitimize the claims to the lands of the people that had lived there for hundreds if not thousands of years is an attempt to revise history. While everyone is entitled to their own opinion they are not entitled to their own made up facts in support of that opinion.

[pr126]

Between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of ONE people, the Arab nation. Look, I have family members with Palestinian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Syrian citizenship. We are ONE people. Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity.

A separate Palestinian entity needs to fight for the national interest in the then remaining occupied territories. The Jordanian government cannot speak for Palestinians in Israel, Lebanon or Syria. Jordan is a state with specific borders. It cannot lay claim on - for instance - Haifa or Jaffa, while I AM entitled to Haifa, Jaffa, Jerusalem and Beersheba. Jordan can only speak for Jordanians and the Palestinians in Jordan. The Palestinian state would be entitled to represent all Palestinians in the Arab world en elsewhere. Once we have accomplished all of our rights in all of Palestine, we shouldn't postpone the unification of Jordan and Palestine for one second.

-- Zuheir Mohsen, Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member, quoted in March 31, 1977 article in the Dutch newspaper Trout -

[Baruch]

Look, don't take my word for it.
You have the Internet, do your own research, that is if you are really interested.
I gave my version (opinion) with links. Take it or leave it.
And stop the silly talk. It does not add to the discussion.
Thanks .

I don't think that returning to 19th century British Imperialism ... is silly talk.  I am quite serious, Mr Kipling.  A good first step would be to shanghai all your unemployed people into the British Navy.  Today you can not only make boys into men, you can make girls into men.  And don't forget to make all the colonized folks pay for it ... Britain isn't supposed to pay for it.  What kind of research do I need ... the British Empire has been a total #&#^#^ shit since 1914.  You being older, I don't think they will take you ;-)

[Baruch]

The statement you quoted said that prior to 73 "The concept of a Palestinian “nation” simply did not exist." That statement is not true. The talk prior to the formation of Israel in 1948 had centered around both a Jewish and an Arab state. I don't know that if both an Arab and a Jewish state had happened we would have gotten a different result from what we see today, but claims there was no concept of a Palestinian nation at the time are attempts to support an agenda by revising history.

Irrelevant.  The Israelis are one street gang (see Likud) and the Palestinians are another street gang (see Hamas).  One has nukes, the other does not.  Just think of West Side Story ... with nukes.  Gangs of NYC or gangs of Near East ... don't need no stinkin' badges.

[PopeyesPappy]

-- Zuheir Mohsen, Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member, quoted in March 31, 1977 article in the Dutch newspaper Trout -

So you have a Palestine Arab who was advocating Pan-Arabism in the 1970's. Pan-Arabism was a movement with roots in the late 19th century that reached it's peak of popularity in the 1960s and 70s. Is this supposed to support the claim that there was no concept of a Palestinian state prior to the 1970s? If so, how?

[PopeyesPappy]

Irrelevant.  The Israelis are one street gang (see Likud) and the Palestinians are another street gang (see Hamas).  One has nukes, the other does not.  Just think of West Side Story ... with nukes.  Gangs of NYC or gangs of Near East ... don't need no stinkin' badges.

I agree that your statement is irrelevant. Whether or not the Israelis and Palestinians are street gangs is irrelevant to when the idea of a Palestinian state was first floated.