Why is the word "gay" sacred?

[facebook164]

Gay denotes something bad, but in the context we are referring that something bad is NOT people that like homoerotic buttsex and scissoring. Is the property of being lame/bad. This is a significant common usage deal with it.

Really? What other uses has this very special negative  mening of the word "gay" than in the phrase "its so gay"?

[facebook164]

I refuse to give special treatment to homosexuals. You know why? It's because I don't see homosexuals as weaker than the average person. I don't see them as weak and needing special treatment. I won't give a woman special treatment by eliminating my use of the word bitch because a woman is offended by it, and many women are offended by that word, and cunt. Millions are offended by the use of these words and don't like it. I don't care that millions of women are offended. I refuse to treat women in general as weaklings who can't handle hearing bitch, and I'm not going to treat gays like weaklings either. Gay people are plenty tough and I really don't think they need the special treatment. I think by giving them special treatment, I would only be insulting their toughness which is something I wouldn't want to do. I have all the respect in the world for gay people, and that is why I think I need to treat them just like anyone else. Equal treatment for all sexual orientations and genders. If I see a disabled person, I would be sure not to use the word retarded around them, because they are probably not going to feel good about that and this is a disabled person so I wouldn't go there even if there was no intent to hurt their feelings. With a gay person or a woman though? I'm not going to treat them like a disabled person. How insulting would that be?

Treating a disabled person differently is a sure way of offending them.

But all this has nothing to do with offending people and everything to do with the equal value of all humans. People are not offended because you call them ugly names.

People are offended because you are an asshole.

[Draconic Aiur]

because trigger warning feminists with fake ptsd

[mauricio]

Really? What other uses has this very special negative  mening of the word "gay" than in the phrase "its so gay"?

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gay

(slang, pejorative) Used to express dislike: lame, uncool, stupid.
This game is gay; let’s play a different one. = I dislike this game; let’s play a different one.


http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/gay

4 informal, offensive Foolish, stupid, or unimpressive:
he thinks the obsession with celebrity is totally gay

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay

3.
Slang: Often Disparaging and Offensive. awkward, stupid, or bad; lame:
This game is boring and really, really gay.

Significant common usage. Deal with it this new generation does not give a fuck about the tabooness of the word and has distorted its meaning into something unrelated to disparaging homosexuality.

Now if certain offendatrons would stop the pearl clutching giving this words their power back we could all live in a world with less slurs and pointless offense.

[facebook164]

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gay

(slang, pejorative) Used to express dislike: lame, uncool, stupid.
This game is gay; let’s play a different one. = I dislike this game; let’s play a different one.


http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/gay

4 informal, offensive Foolish, stupid, or unimpressive:
he thinks the obsession with celebrity is totally gay

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay

3.
Slang: Often Disparaging and Offensive. awkward, stupid, or bad; lame:
This game is boring and really, really gay.

Significant common usage. Deal with it this new generation does not give a fuck about the tabooness of the word and has distorted its meaning into something unrelated to disparaging homosexuality.

Now if certain offendatrons would stop the pearl clutching giving this words their power back we could all live in a world with less slurs and pointless offense.

You didnt notice the lable "offensive". In the dictionaries, did you?

[FaithIsFilth]

Treating a disabled person differently is a sure way of offending them.

But all this has nothing to do with offending people and everything to do with the equal value of all humans. People are not offended because you call them ugly names.

People are offended because you are an asshole.

They do need to be treated somewhat differently at times. If they have an outburst and call me a name or something, I wouldn't get pissed like I would if it was someone else. They might not have realized what they were doing, so they get a pass, and I won't use retard because they might have a harder time than the average person seeing that no harm was meant.

If I read a story about someone torturing an animal and I call that person a cunt, that makes me an asshole? Do you want everyone to stop using the word bitch as well? What about dick and other insults to men? What about the word lame like another poster was saying? You go down that path and you might have a couple hundred words that need banned.

You are free to think I'm an asshole because I use a little naughty language, and usually only around close friends. I don't think I'm much of an asshole but can be sometimes. I've only insulted a couple of people on this board, ever, that aren't creationists. I don't care much for insulting people and I don't see myself as much of an asshole, but it's fine if you do. The language police are never going to tell me what I can and can not say.

[facebook164]

They do need to be treated somewhat differently at times. If they have an outburst and call me a name or something, I wouldn't get pissed like I would if it was someone else. They might not have realized what they were doing, so they get a pass, and I won't use retard because they might have a harder time than the average person seeing that no harm was meant.

If I read a story about someone torturing an animal and I call that person a cunt, that makes me an asshole? Do you want everyone to stop using the word bitch as well? What about dick and other insults to men? What about the word lame like another poster was saying? You go down that path and you might have a couple hundred words that need banned.

You are free to think I'm an asshole because I use a little naughty language, and usually only around close friends. I don't think I'm much of an asshole but can be sometimes. I've only insulted a couple of people on this board, ever, that aren't creationists. I don't care much for insulting people and I don't see myself as much of an asshole, but it's fine if you do. The language police are never going to tell me what I can and can not say.

You totally missed the point.

(And besides: You are totally free to think that an animal torturer are similar to womens genitals. But is it wise, sane?)

[mauricio]

You didnt notice the lable "offensive". In the dictionaries, did you?

Careful there bro moving those goalsposts all across the field must be such a heavy work.

[facebook164]

Careful there bro moving those goalsposts all across the field must be such a heavy work.

No goalposts moved.
This discussion is all about how using "gay" in the offensive way.
since we already know about the offensive use: when I asked for another use of gay that obviously ment a non-offensive use.

[mauricio]

In spanish there's a word called paja, paja means straw. Paja in peruvian slang has 2 meanings: masturbation and cool. I just saw an advertisment on TV about a 10 year old kid who said that word in the context of the second meaning. Therefore that advertisement is not offensive and can air on TV. In other context the word could be very offensive. I was never arguing about whether the word was offensive or not. But rather about the existence of a significant common usage in a context in which the word has that meaning illustrated on those quotes from their respective dictionaries. I already proved my point now you bring the topic of offense i never talked about, i was only talking about common usage of the word in which it means lame.

[mauricio]

(And besides: You are totally free to think that an animal torturer are similar to womens genitals. But is it wise, sane?)

Are you one of those pod people trying to blend in with humanity?

[facebook164]

In spanish there's a word called paja, paja means straw. Paja in peruvian slang has 2 meanings: masturbation and cool. I just saw an advertisment on TV about a 10 year old kid who said that word in the context of the second meaning. Therefore that advertisement is not offensive and can air on TV. In other context the word could be very offensive. I was never arguing about whether the word was offensive or not. But rather about the existence of a significant common usage in a context in which the word has that meaning illustrated on those quotes from their respective dictionaries. I already proved my point now you bring the topic of offense i never talked about, i was only talking about common usage of the word in which it means lame.

The reason it used in that way is because gay means homosexual.
That is why it is marked as offensive.

[drunkenshoe]

I refuse to give special treatment to homosexuals. You know why? It's because I don't see homosexuals as weaker than the average person. I don't see them as weak and needing special treatment. I won't give a woman special treatment by eliminating my use of the word bitch because a woman is offended by it, and many women are offended by that word, and cunt. Millions are offended by the use of these words and don't like it. I don't care that millions of women are offended. I refuse to treat women in general as weaklings who can't handle hearing bitch, and I'm not going to treat gays like weaklings either. Gay people are plenty tough and I really don't think they need the special treatment. I think by giving them special treatment, I would only be insulting their toughness which is something I wouldn't want to do. I have all the respect in the world for gay people, and that is why I think I need to treat them just like anyone else. Equal treatment for all sexual orientations and genders. If I see a disabled person, I would be sure not to use the word retarded around them, because they are probably not going to feel good about that and this is a disabled person so I wouldn't go there even if there was no intent to hurt their feelings. With a gay person or a woman though? I'm not going to treat them like a disabled person. How insulting would that be?

This has nothing to do with seeing women as weaklings or treating homosexuals as special. This is not just about females and homosexuals. This is about all genders. You cannot be sexist to one gender without being to the others. The reason that heterosexuals men seem to be the main target, because they are the standard. And what comes along with about being a 'real man'. This bullshit is not one sided, you are not out of it. Nobody is out of it. 

This is about how and why those insults were created. They were created according to how human culture regards gender norms and to control people who refuse to accept or live in those norms. They are STILL strong and alive, because doesn't matter who is lives in what delusion where, this is how ALL the cultures, societies STILL regard gender norms. Otherwise, they would fade away and we would create new ones. But we don't. Because we can't. If we could, no other personal ideals or views would be able to stop it. Becaue it would be another human reality dictating us.

Bitch is a word created to control women. For example, because they are not expected or accepted to raise their voice, get dominant about their opinions, have a saying. They are expected to be obedient. Exactly like slut. A woman is not expected or accepted to be sexually agressive, having multiple sex partners. That's male norm. When the male gets out of his line, he is controlled in different ways. A male slut is not the same thing with a femlae slut. 

This is a patriarchal social contract. Doesn't really matter what people personally think or believe. This doesn't mean anything in real life. A woman out of the norms dictated by that contract is always very less likley to be selected as a mate. And the uncouth words like btich or slut or cunt... is created to draw that line to her in social life. With men in social life there is no such thing comparable to women's situation.

Men can say here in a forum anything they like. In real life, in a friend network, at work, among relatives, in family...etc if a woman has multiple seuxal partners and happily open about her sex life, she is defined as a slut by MEN AND WOMEN. (First women) And males in that circle will act according to that. Very few heterosexual male will act out of the norm and they will have to deal with a lot of bullshit themselves. For example, like stay home dads or single dads who wants to adopt a child for themselves.   

So what people personally think about those labels or what they refuse to see, choose to think, unfortunately do not mean anything when it comes to collective norms; where from come these insults. We cannot just throw our personal 'ideals' around and expect human reality to conform them. This doesn't happen.

Western people -yes we can make a generalisation- have an incredibly distorted view of their society about gender issues, along with many others. One of the reasons for this is the 'interaction' with an opposite culture for the last decade and a half. Hierarchies of identity is based on definitions of contrasts.

This media campaign with no limits that has been goin on since 9/11 didn't just harm the Middle East or muslim minorities in Western countries. It equally harms Western societies in many levels. Western civilisation(s), Western identities GOT SHRUNK because of this and meaningless wars of any kind. Nothing fits, everything is out of place, don't you feel that for yourselves, for the society you live in? I see that most people do. This is not something seperate from the whole.

[Sargon The Grape]

[trdsf]

There isnt any other usage! If i say "that tree is so red" intending to convey the meaning that is is blue then I have failed.

So, 'gay' has only one meaning.  It has never meant 'happy', it has never meant 'homosexual', now its exclusive meaning is 'bad', as in the slang phrase "that's so gay".

Rrrrrriiiiiiight.

I think what you've really failed at here is in making a point.

I'm going to say it again: context.  The word already has a generally-used dominant meaning as a term for homosexual and homosexuality, and it's one that's by and large claimed by the community, so it's very difficult to see the repurposing as a synonym for 'bad' to be anything other than a hijacking with the intent to cause offense.

And what you're arguing is that it'd be perfectly legitimate for me to call you a fucking asshole, and that as long as I tell you I'm not using the common meaning of that phrase but something else, you have no business taking offense.

I would also point out that in exactly the same way that Person A cannot tell Person B what B finds funny, depressing, interesting or boring, A also cannot tell B what they may and may not be offended by.  A lack of intent to cause offense is not the same as not causing offense.