ORIGINS OF ALLAH AND THE QURAN

[drunkenshoe]

by saying ''a special god'' i meant that allah is a proper name rather than a common name...before i have just learned the grammatical term ''proper name'' i was confused by the turkish translation of it ''özel isim'' :D

I know, I just wrote that to you. But he is not interested in knowledge, he has an agenda.

Önceki sayfanın altında kaldı.

E: Bu arada vajinaya benzeyen lafına da koptum. Fazla türk işi olmuş... (Kızma, komik)

[SoldierofFortune]

Allah kelimesinin entimolojik kökeniyle ilgilenmiyor o. Okumuyo musun, bayılttı adam hepimizi senelerdir burda, Amerikalılara fenalık geldi hakaret edip duruyolar adama.

Eğer 'special god' diye ifade dersen, söz konusu yaratıcının özel olduğunu işaret etmiş olursun. Senin söylemek istediğin, o ismin özel bir isim olduğu olmalı. Ama eninde sonunda hiç bir şey fark etmez, çünkü Yahweh de bir tanrıya verilmiş özel isim, Christ da. Yani bir tanrı isminin özel olmasının o tanrının özel olmasıyla alakası yok. Aynı şey. Kültürel fark.

harbiden garip biriymiş. oradaki al'ın artikel olduğunu benden öğrenince mesajı editledi :D

arapların dini tek tanrıcılığa evrilince ki yöredeki trend bu yöndeydi, ilah'ı artikel ile belirlemeyi münasip bulmuşlar galiba...

[drunkenshoe]

harbiden garip biriymiş. oradaki al'ın artikel olduğunu benden öğrenince mesajı editledi :D

Yapar öyle şeyler. Zararsız aslında. Ama o kadar çok tek bir dine, tek taraflı düşmanlık yapıyor ki, insanlar da rahatsız oluyor haliyle. Bi' de kendini çok iyi anlıyor sanıyo haspam o çok eğlenceli.

arapların dini tek tanrıcılığa evrilince ki yöredeki trend bu yöndeydi, ilah'ı artikel ile belirlemeyi münasip bulmuşlar galiba...

Tabii yav. Dinin dili de evrilmiÅŸ gitmiÅŸ ona göre. Ama Araplar bütün müslümanların %12'si olduÄŸundan ve diÄŸer halklar -müslüman ya da deÄŸil- bir bok bilmediÄŸinden kimsenin artikelden falan anladığı yok. Kendi dillerinde ibadet etmiyor ki, hiç bir müslüman halk. Bunu ve bunun olası sonuçlarını anlatmak çok zor bu adamlara doÄŸal olarak. Hafsalası almıyo adamların.   Anca bir kaçı iÅŸte.

[doorknob]

Muhammad admitted he was possesed or whatever term you wish to use. That is about the only proof we have. Muslims have hidden all the other evidence. BUT you have no proof nor evidence the same is true of Moses or Jesus.

I don't know about muhammad but joseph and jesus did not exist. Do the research historians will be hesitant to tell you the truth but it's all there.

[pr126]

drunkenshoe wrote:

But he is not interested in knowledge, he has an agenda.

Indeed I have. I am trying to make people understand what Islam means to non Muslims.

Here is for example Quran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Meaning: Fight [wage holy war] on those who do not believe in Allah, until they are subjugated, humiliated and pay the protection money, and if they are unwilling to do either of those, kill them because they have no value to Allah.

That is you, me and anyone that do not believe in Allah.

Which part of this ideology you have failed to understand?

[Nonsensei]

I don't give a shit what the Quaran says. More importantly, Muslims don't give a shit either. If they did we would have 2 in 10 people on Earth trying to murder the rest of us instead of tiny groups of guerrilla fighters peppered throughout the middle east beheading a few people, knocking over ancient statues, and desperately trying to be noticed.

[pr126]

I don't give a shit what the Quaran says. More importantly, Muslims don't give a shit either. If they did we would have 2 in 10 people on Earth trying to murder the rest of us instead of tiny groups of guerrilla fighters peppered throughout the middle east beheading a few people, knocking over ancient statues, and desperately trying to be noticed.

Let's see.

I don't give a shit what the Quaran says.

You better, it is a war manual against 80 % of humanity.

Muslims don't give a shit either.

Enough of them do and even more supporting, financing them to make a difference and set the planet on fire. More joining every day.

If they did we would have 2 in 10 people on Earth trying to murder the rest of us instead of tiny groups of guerrilla fighters peppered throughout the middle east beheading a few people, knocking over ancient statues, and desperately trying to be noticed.

27,712 terror attacks since 2001 But it is happening far away to other people. Why worry?

Because this has been happening for the last 14 centuries, in the name of a book that you don't give a shit about.

[drunkenshoe]

More than not giving a shit, only 12 % of muslims are Arabs and the language of the book is not even the language they use. Considering none of the islamic societies worship or pray in their own language, what Quran says is pretty much obscure for them.

[pr126]

Try telling any Muslim that the Quran is just another book like any other, of no real significance.
Then stand well back and watch the fireworks.

[drunkenshoe]

Try telling any Muslim that the Quran is just another book like any other, of no real significance.
Then stand well back and watch the fireworks.

Yes. But I don't think fireworks are the accurate word accurate here. You mean violence?

[pr126]

Yes. But I don't think fireworks are the accurate word accurate here. You mean violence

A mild disapproval. Nothing serious.

[drunkenshoe]

Myeh, clumsy usage of sarcasm. 

[Nonsensei]

Let's see.
You better, it is a war manual against 80 % of humanity.Enough of them do and even more supporting, financing them to make a difference and set the planet on fire. More joining every day. 27,712 terror attacks since 2001 But it is happening far away to other people. Why worry?

Because this has been happening for the last 14 centuries, in the name of a book that you don't give a shit about.

Even if 100 different people were involved in each individual act of terrorism (instead of the usual 1 or 2 in reality) thats still less than 3 million Muslims out of a population of 1.6 billion. Just so we are clear on the maths of that, its about a tenth of one percent of Muslims.

No matter how many murky claims of clandestine financial support you try in insinuate, the undeniable reality is that the majority of Muslims aren't taking that part of the Quran seriously. Just like Christians who ignore the parts about stoning their kids to death for talking back, Muslims are not interested in going out and "slaying the infidel" so they just ignore that part or interpret it away.

Theres never any news stories about those people. The people for whom Islam is nothing more than background music to their every day lives. Thats boring. Now, a psycho Imam demanding all "true Muslims" rise up and deliver death to the West? Thats sexy! The news can do a really nice "I KNEW IT, THEY REALLY ARE TRYING TO KILLS US" piece and get a ton of ad revenue as irrationally terrified people sit in their living rooms and wring their hands nervously, wondering if and when the next "highly organized" and "sophisticated" suicide vest attack will be near them.

The number of Muslims that take this shit seriously isn't even a drop in the ocean to the total number of Muslims on Earth. The number of victims of terrorist attacks isn't even a drop in the ocean to the total number of people on Earth or even the thousands of people who die every day from various causes. You see some guy blew himself up in a cafe and killed 12 people and you get all bent out of shape and spend 20 mins making a post about it but in that time 40 kids starved to death in Ethiopia and nobody gives a fuck. Shit like that is not even worthy of mention in our typical discourse.

There are way bigger problems on Earth that get virtually no play in the media. I'm tired of having my emotions manipulated for the sake of network ad revenue under the pretense of keeping us informed. I'm tired of focusing on a relatively insignificant issue to the virtual exclusion of any serious issue.

The success rate of terrorists when compared to their stated goals is 0%. I'm finished cowering in the corner, keeping a wary eye on everyone around me names Rashid just because Wolf Blitzer has a voice that could make a fluf story about girl scout cookies sound like World War 3 is coming.

Enough is enough.

[Baruch]

For Americans, not Europeans.  Islam means Black folk, it means Farrakhan and Nation of Islam (though when Elijah Muhammad died, most NoI folks deserted Farrakhan, because he is no Malcolm X).  Most NoI people validated the POV that Malcolm X had at the end of this life, before someone (maybe Farrakhan under orders from Elijah Muhammad) had him snuffed.  They simply wanted to be regular Muslims, not members of a cult of personality.  So for most Americans, except around Detroit where there are a lot of non-Black Muslims ... this ties in with our ur-racism.  We were afraid of every gang-banging Black youth, long before 9/11.

European history is different.  In France, the majority of Muslims are Black W Africans from the former French colonies.  They have only had 50 years to assimilate that migration, just like Americans have had to do with Mexicans.  But African-Americans have been here since Jamestown.

But yes, if 1% of Mexicans etc are criminals, then there are a near infinity of criminals, who somehow are worse that the White folk white collar criminals ... because unless you are African-American, you usually don't say to yourself ... when you look in the mirror ... that is one handsome/beautiful criminal we have here.  Reduce the human population by 99%, and you will have 99% less criminals, along with everyone else ... if you think it is worth such a Draconian solution.  Nuke away my boys, nuke away ...

[drunkenshoe]

Even if 100 different people were involved in each individual act of terrorism (instead of the usual 1 or 2 in reality) thats still less than 3 million Muslims out of a population of 1.6 billion. Just so we are clear on the maths of that, its about a tenth of one percent of Muslims.

No matter how many murky claims of clandestine financial support you try in insinuate, the undeniable reality is that the majority of Muslims aren't taking that part of the Quran seriously. Just like Christians who ignore the parts about stoning their kids to death for talking back, Muslims are not interested in going out and "slaying the infidel" so they just ignore that part or interpret it away.

Theres never any news stories about those people. The people for whom Islam is nothing more than background music to their every day lives. Thats boring. Now, a psycho Imam demanding all "true Muslims" rise up and deliver death to the West? Thats sexy! The news can do a really nice "I KNEW IT, THEY REALLY ARE TRYING TO KILLS US" piece and get a ton of ad revenue as irrationally terrified people sit in their living rooms and wring their hands nervously, wondering if and when the next "highly organized" and "sophisticated" suicide vest attack will be near them.

The number of Muslims that take this shit seriously isn't even a drop in the ocean to the total number of Muslims on Earth. The number of victims of terrorist attacks isn't even a drop in the ocean to the total number of people on Earth or even the thousands of people who die every day from various causes. You see some guy blew himself up in a cafe and killed 12 people and you get all bent out of shape and spend 20 mins making a post about it but in that time 40 kids starved to death in Ethiopia and nobody gives a fuck. Shit like that is not even worthy of mention in our typical discourse.

There are way bigger problems on Earth that get virtually no play in the media. I'm tired of having my emotions manipulated for the sake of network ad revenue under the pretense of keeping us informed. I'm tired of focusing on a relatively insignificant issue to the virtual exclusion of any serious issue.

The success rate of terrorists when compared to their stated goals is 0%. I'm finished cowering in the corner, keeping a wary eye on everyone around me names Rashid just because Wolf Blitzer has a voice that could make a fluf story about girl scout cookies sound like World War 3 is coming.

Enough is enough.

You are not the poster who left the forum couple of years ago. You have changed. At least about this issue.