News:

Welcome to our site!

Main Menu

Islam, yet another Abrahamic religion?

Started by pr126, December 11, 2015, 11:23:33 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

pr126

We are often told by Muslims and their apologist that Allah is the same god as the Jews and the Christians.
Thereby Islam is an Abrahamic religion.
If that is true, how do Muslims explain the Quranic verses 5:51 9:29 5:82  60:4 to name just a few of the many verses that prove this claim otherwise?

Quran 5:51
Yusuf Ali: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust

Quran 9:29
Yusuf Ali: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book,(Jews and Christians) until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Quran 5:82
Yusuf Ali: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.[/

Quran 60:4
["We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever, - unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"

Either this is a lie, or Allah / YHWE is schizophrenic. 

But if one starts examining the origins of Allah, it has nothing to do with the Abrahamic religions.
Allah was always an Arab pagan deity.

Arabian Paganism

What did Muhammad worship before he invented Islam? His fathers name was Abdallah (slave of Allah).



Baruch

Yes, I suspect since Muhammad was born after his father died, he might have idolized him.

Judaism (if practiced) and Islam (if practiced) are both Biblical systems.  IMHO ... no system is a means in itself, but a means to mystical union with G-d.  Christianity on the other hand, is only half Biblical ... the other half is Buddhist ... in the pre-Constantinian period.  Since Constantine, Christianity has been the continuation of the Roman/Byzantine Empire by other means.  Early Christianity is interesting to me, the Jewish and early Pauline form ... because I take them to be Hellenistic Judaism vs the usual Rabbinic Judaism.  I have no investment in furthering the goals of the long dead Roman Empire ... as a spiritual practice anyway.  The Anglo-American Empire is still with us.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

pr126

#2
b]Baruch wrote[/b]
QuoteJudaism (if practiced) and Islam (if practiced) are both Biblical systems.
Absolutely not.

Muhammad appropriated, plagiarized from the bible to give himself an ancestry, and authority to claim prophethood.
That was because he wanted to attract the Jews and the Christians to his newly created religion.
When that did not happen, he turned against them, expelled them or killed them.
He even used to pray towards Jerusalem for a while, then realised that the Jews didn't show interest, he turned towards the Kaaba for prayers.

If you observe Islamic rituals and practices, to the present day, they are all from the pagan Arab, none of them are either from  Judaism or Christianity.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm

http://religionresearchinstitute.org/ramadan/roots.htm

http://www.islam-watch.org/home/112-mohammad/322-the-quran-confesses-allah-was-a-pagan-god-before-islam.html

http://www.islam-watch.org/home/143-roddy/840-allah-was-originally-a-pre-muslim-arabian-moon-god.html

The Prophet of Doom

QuoteIslam is a caustic blend of regurgitated paganism and twisted Bible stories.
Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion solely to satiate his lust
for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. If you think these conclusions
are shocking, wait until you see the evidence.