Colorado Planned Parenthood Shootings

Started by JBCuzISaidSo, November 27, 2015, 07:20:36 PM

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JBCuzISaidSo

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/colorado-shooting-probe/

4 officers and up to five civilians wounded, dozens terrorized and forced to shelter in place.

We don't know if we have a RWNJ, here, as it could have been nothing to do with PP, but let's call it what it is -- Domestic Terrorism -- now before the conservatives pick "mentally unstable man" and take away our power.
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Shiranu

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TomFoolery

I wonder if it would have made a difference if someone pointed out those people were once fetuses too...
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JBCuzISaidSo

Quote from: TomFoolery on November 27, 2015, 08:57:01 PM
I wonder if it would have made a difference if someone pointed out those people were once fetuses too...

No, of course it wouldn't, since conception = life. Der!

The body count has risen to 3 dead without any explanation yet. So, no reason as of now that three fellow humans lives were snuffed out like candles in the wind....
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Mermaid

A good percentage of the articles I've read about this identify this clinic as an "abortion clinic". A blatant example of irresponsible assholes writing headlines to titillate and incite rather than INFORM. GAH.

It is a motherfucking HEALTH CENTER. They give healthcare. The scumbag shot up a health clinic for performing pap smears.
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Youssuf Ramadan

I'm reading reports from British sources, and even here there's no mention of the perp being a Christian fundie, assuming that was his motivation.  Funny how little details like that can get left out.  Tell people what you want them to hear.

Interesting to note, yet again, that the sanctity of life ends at birth.

Brian37

Well lets pretend this had nothing to do with abortion, the right still overlaps worship of religion with worship of guns, so even on the gun issue they still promote a flooded market that allowed this sicko to do what he did. But still does not matter, it was PP AND my bets is once they did into this sicko's past they will find bible based bigotry behind it.
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TomFoolery

I'm willing to put a lot of money that it had everything to do with Bible bigotry, since Colorado Springs has a lot of weird Christian fundamentalists AND gun nuts.

Focus on the Family is headquartered there, and so was Ted Haggard's megachurch. I guess the church is still there, but you know how things went for Haggard.
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Youssuf Ramadan

Apparently the technologically literate wing of the fundies have taken to Twitter to trumpet their support for the gunman.  FFS.......  :sad:

Quote from: TomFoolery on November 28, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
but you know how things went for Haggard.

It was a magnificent day when that douche fell from his ivory tower!   :whoo:

Youssuf Ramadan

http://valerietarico.com/2015/11/28/christianist-republicans-systematically-incited-colorado-clinic-assault/

QuoteChristianist Republicans Systematically Incited Colorado Clinic Assault

After months of verbal assault against Planned Parenthood and against women more broadly, Republican Christianists have gotten what they were asking forâ€"bloodshed.
On November 27, a mass shooting left three dead and nine wounded at a Planned Parenthood clinic just miles from the headquarters of the Religious Right flagship, Focus on the Family. Was the shooting exactly what conservative Christian presidential candidates and members of congress wanted? Maybe, maybe not. But it is what they asked for. Republican members of the Religious Right incited violence as predictably as if they had issued a call for Christian abortion foes to take up arms. Inciting violence this way is called stochastic terrorism:
“Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable. In short, remote-control murder by lone wolf.”
In an incident of stochastic terrorism, the person who pulls the trigger gets the blame. Heâ€"I use the male pronoun deliberately because the triggerman is almost always maleâ€"may go to jail or even be killed during his act of violence. Meanwhile, the person or persons who have triggered the triggerman, in other words, the actual stochastic terrorists, often go free, protected by plausible deniability. The formula is perversely brilliant:

A public figure with access to the airwaves or pulpit demonizes a person or group of persons.

With repetition, the targeted person or group is gradually dehumanized, depicted as loathsome and dangerousâ€"arousing a combustible combination of fear and moral disgust.

Violent images and metaphors, jokes about violence, analogies to past “purges” against reviled groups, use of righteous religious languageâ€"all of these typically stop just short of an explicit call to arms.

When violence erupts, the public figure who have incited the violence condemn itâ€"claiming no one could possibly have foreseen the “tragedy.”

Stochastic terrorism is not a fringe concept. It is a known terrorist modality that has been described at length by analysts. It produces terrorism patterns that are known to any member of Congress or any presidential candidate who has ever thought deeply about national or domestic security issues, which one might hope, is all of them.
We can be confident that communications teams for Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum and others are scrambling at this very moment to figure out the nuances of plausible deniabilityâ€"weighing how best to distance themselves from the violence that killed a police officer and two others without making their protestations of surprised dismay sound as hollow as they actually areâ€"without actually denouncing the disgust and dehumanization of women who have abortions and those who provide them.
For months, Republican presidential candidates and conservative Christian members of Congress have been following this script for political gain. Elected Republicans in the states have sought to intimidate women and providers by demanding the release (and even publication) of identifying information and addressesâ€"essentially a target list for perpetrators. They know exactly what they are doing. Since abortion was legalized in the United States, providers and clinics have been the target of 41 bombings and 173 arson attacks. Since the 1990’s, eleven providers, clinic staff or defenders have been murdered, including the three in Colorado:

March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot after being depicted in “Wanted Posters” by Operation Rescue.

July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and a clinic escort, James Barrett, were both shot to death outside another Florida clinic, which has been bombed twice including in 2012.

December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were shot and killed in Brookline, Massachusetts by an abortion foe who had previously attempted murder in Virginia.

January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, died when the clinic was bombed.

October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was killed at his home in Amherst, New York, by a shooter with a high-powered rifle.

May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller, who provided late term abortions, was shot and killed in the lobby of his church, where he was serving as an usher.

November 27, 2015: Two civilians and a police officer died during a five hour siege in which a “lone wolf” assaulted patients and providers at a Planned Parenthood Clinic in Colorado Springs.

Since David Daleiden launched his deceptive “fetal squish” video campaign aimed at fueling outrage among abortion foes, and since Republicans in high places decided that assaulting Cecile Richards and all of the women she represents was good electoral fodder, Planned Parenthood clinics in Washington and California have been set on fire. Righteous Christian abortion foes have made death threats against providers and clinics across the country. But the real perpetrators likely will continue to have access to pulpits, radio stations, town halls, and television, where they will express carefully crafted dismay about the carnage, hoping we all won’t notice that the hands clutching the podium are covered in blood.

Interesting..... and depressingly familiar.

mauricio

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Quote from: Youssuf Ramadan on November 28, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
http://valerietarico.com/2015/11/28/christianist-republicans-systematically-incited-colorado-clinic-assault/

Interesting..... and depressingly familiar.


seriously? what a piece of shit hyperbolic article. This person is literally doing the same shit he is criticizing the right wing pundits of doing. This is the same as pushing the anti immigration narrative with the paris attacks. By his own fucking definition he is also committing stochastic terrorism by saying "this people have blood on their hands" and "express carefully crafted dismay" hes calling them psychopathic and the intellectual authors of this murders. The same shit the conservatives do on the abortion issue to the democrat pundits. This is pouring fabricated outrage on top of a burning tragedy to use it as political ammo,  we do not even know the fucking facts yet for fucks sake. This partisan mindset is fucking cancer. Why can't people grow the fuck up already and learn how to make their points without simplifying shit into a narrative of a group of purely evil people we must fight off. Psychopaths are a extreme minority of our populations get it in your head already that there is people that truly believe in the soul, they truly believe in conserving fetus lives, they do not just want to fuck with women's rights because they hate them.

aitm

I'm trolling a couple sites just going along that this is another christian killing people because republicans told him too. I know, I shouldn't but damn some of the responses are just funny.
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JBCuzISaidSo

Looks as though the piece of shit was indeed an RWNJ, and did this act of terrorism in the name of the debunked PP video by saying "no more baby parts!", but that he also premeditated this act of terror -- planned it out and set up propane tanks to shoot at in the parking lot.

Said it before and I'll say it again, this man needs to be made an example of. He was taken alive, let's make that a regret. :/
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JBCuzISaidSo

Quote from: aitm on November 28, 2015, 04:08:25 PM
I'm trolling a couple sites just going along that this is another christian killing people because republicans told him too. I know, I shouldn't but damn some of the responses are just funny.
The force is strong with this one.
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Valigarmander

I used to feel some incredulity when reading things like how some medieval Europeans believed Jews would kidnap and murder Christian children to use their blood for the baking of Passover matzos. That incredulity has evaporated with the knowledge that people (and not an insignificant number of them) today, in the information age, believe Planned Parenthood sells "baby parts" for profit. Despite fact checkers stating from the get-go that the video and the claims behind it were misleading, and despite investigations ordered by grandstanding Republicans in Indiana, Georgia, Massachussetts, South Dakota, Pennsylvania, and Missouri, as well as a Republican-led US House of Representatives committee, all clearing Planned Parenthood of any wrongdoing, the slander persists, and now it has cost three people their lives.

While it appears the video was the catalyst for this particular killing, family planning clinics and those connected to them have long been targeted by arsons, bombings, kidnapping, stalking, assaults, and murders, with or without doctored videos to fuel the aggression. As long as people equate unthinking, unfeeling fetuses with thinking, feeling adults, as long as they refer to fetuses as "babies," as long as they call abortion "murder," as long as they're comparing it to the Holocaust, then it's only a matter of time before another person decides, "I have to save those babies from being killed!" and goes and murders doctors, patients, and the guards and police stationed to protect their lives from pro-lifers. It's not a question of if this will happen again, but when. The field is ripe.