What if there is a God and that God is perfect?...

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

If you do bad, do the Catholics have it right and all you need to do is say sorry? Or do the Baptists have it right and the bad doesn't matter and all you need to do is believe in Jesus?

No, they are all deceived.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

If Satan hates God and I'm supposed to be punished for not doing right by God, wouldn't Satan reward me?

Maybe, maybe not.  It depends upon his will for you.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

G-d isn't perfect (that is clear in Genesis 1 thru Noah).

God created perfection. He also created imperfection.

Therefore God is greater than perfect.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

But speaking generically, there is no difference between heaven and hell, and I am already here ...

Only in your own mind.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

Again generically, G-d is perfect ... a perfect monster.  Lots of people get rewards and punishments here and now ... but I don't know that any of it comes from G-d ... it mostly comes from other people aka shit monkeys.  Got poo?

Everything comes from the spirit realm.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

Interesting reply, TomFoolery. 

One thing that I think is important to consider is that you would certainly expect this God to always do what is right...since He is perfect.  Therefore, if it is wrong to send you to a place like hell you would expect Him not to do that.  But that reveals that we expect a perfect God to act like it's never good to do wrong.  So I think that shows us the standard we expect God to have if He is perfect.  If we have done anything that we knew was wrong then a perfect God must punish us, since to reward us would be to act like it is sometimes good to do wrong, which a perfect God could never do.  Agree?

Your expectations
of what is right and what is wrong
is not the expectations of God.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

IF a god exists, then yes, all life would have a wonderful fulfilling afterlife…you, me, bunny rabbits, tree frogs, mosquitos…all life. The horrible, horrendous POS that the babble presents does not exist, thankfully, what a monstrous clusterfuck that thing is. But yes, if a real god existed, perhaps…of course the idea that it is perfect is a rather dappled red apple. Nice of us to imagine such a thing just for our fragile little egos to have, but the reality…meh.

You will certainly know one way or the other some day.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

Hmmm, all life?  Do you really think a perfect God would/should give members of ISIS a wonderful fulfilling afterlife?

They are going to be
greatly surprised when they
leave this world. 

There will be nothing
wonderful and fulfilling about it.

[Flanker1Six]

maybe "your" perfect god would not. "My" perfect god would not allow such creatures as ISIS to exist in the first place. I guess we have different versions of what a REAL god is eh?

See!  That's where all the trouble starts!   None of you are agreeing with me and toeing the line!

HONEY!!   Have you seen my exterminators tool box?! 

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

maybe "your" perfect god would not. "My" perfect god would not allow such creatures as ISIS to exist in the first place. I guess we have different versions of what a REAL god is eh?

There is only 1 God and many many many gods.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

Reward and punishment is a primitive way for humans to control each other.

Not true.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

What about giving up his mysterious invisibility, and communicating directly with us the information we require?

He has already done it.  In the beginning.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

And who says a "perfect" God has need of our compliance with his will? Or that he views "good" and "evil" as priorities in the universe?

But there are so many reasons God is NOT perfect, that your point is moot.

God is not perfect in your mind. 
But there again your mind is not perfect.

Which makes your point...moot.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

It is, in my book, inherently wrong to punishment anyone eternally for a finite crime.
And if god was perfect, there would be no need for punishment. (I can elaborate later if you'd like, after work. Let me know.)

The problem with this is you are not in charge.
You do not make the rules. You live by the rules
made by others.

[TheVirtueOfTruth]

If there is a God, and that God really is perfect, then

1. He would have done a better job of creating the earth, and the system by which life evolves - and then he would not have wasted time sitting back and watching all the shit that ever happened. There would have been no need for a God which really could and did create it all himself to wait for evolution.

2. Being the perfect and all-powerful creator of everything, he would have actually created us all, and then he would have made us perfect too - otherwise, he himself could not be called perfect. Therefore, he never would have to punish any of us. When you have to resort to that with your own creation, you ain't no God, you're just a shithead!

If you're talking about a perfect god who did not create us, but has the right to judge us, well no he doesn't unless he answers to a greater god, and it would not be one which is all-perfect and all-powerful because no such God would need to hire a flunkie to do his work for him.

If it is too hard for you to accept
that God does as He pleases when He pleases How He pleases
without considering your thoughts and feelings...

then you are going to be greatly disappointed most of your life.