Poll: 40 Percent Of Millennials Want Speech Censored

Started by josephpalazzo, November 21, 2015, 10:31:07 AM

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Quote from: Shiranu on November 21, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
Hate to break it, but we still have a looooong way before we match the institutionalized racism, homophobia and sexism that plagued our parents generations. We at least are trying to fix it... I rather we go too far than not bother at all.
I'm plenty sure that previous generations thought the same thing about their own problem-of-thee-times. But censoring speech is not going to solve racism, homophobia or sexism. Indeed, censorship is one of the places where such things breed.
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Each generation has things it doesn't want to hear. Nothing new there.
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SGOS

An entire generation of improved tolerance, fairness, and freedom.  Kind of lulls you into believing you have a map of  mankind's destiny, a destiny of grace.  But past performance, does not guarantee future results.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 22, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
Each generation has things it doesn't want to hear. Nothing new there.

Sure, but one wants to feel that the things you didn't want to hear were things that needed to go away in order to move forward, and so things would get better. But censoring free speech feels more like going backward. Free speech was to guarantee the individual the liberty to speak his own mind without fear of retaliation from the political class, which has in relationship to the individual disproportionate power. Now censoring free speech, on the basis of someone's sensitivity scale, not only opens the door to all kinds of retaliation, but it also closes the door to creativity and criticism of a system that can easily get off tracks. 

SGOS

Quote from: josephpalazzo on November 22, 2015, 09:21:35 AM
Sure, but one wants to feel that the things you didn't want to hear were things that needed to go away in order to move forward, and so things would get better. But censoring free speech feels more like going backward. Free speech was to guarantee the individual the liberty to speak his own mind without fear of retaliation from the political class, which has in relationship to the individual disproportionate power. Now censoring free speech, on the basis of someone's sensitivity scale, not only opens the door to all kinds of retaliation, but it also closes the door to creativity and criticism of a system that can easily get off tracks. 

In addition, no speech is free of consequences.  You might be free to say anything you want, but the government should not be given the final authority to squelch specific types of speech.  This is where a reasoning, educated, and intelligent populace has an obligation and a duty to respond to the speech with reasoned and critical speech or writing of its own that exposes the ignorance of bad ideas for what they are.

The populace is where the real power over stupid speech comes from, far surpassing the power of government.  The millennial generation needs to embrace that responsibility and utilize the freedom granted by their own right to free speech.  They need to debate stupidity, rather than have someone else make it a felony.  Passing the power to the government means you actually give up the power you now have.  You can choose government power over personal responsibility, perhaps because you're too lazy, or too fearful, but those are not laudable personal goals in a free society.

Use it or lose it.  Don't throw free speech away because you'd rather not bother with it.  All freedoms come with a degree of responsibility.

Baruch

Quote from: SGOS on November 22, 2015, 09:04:47 AM
An entire generation of improved tolerance, fairness, and freedom.  Kind of lulls you into believing you have a map of  mankind's destiny, a destiny of grace.  But past performance, does not guarantee future results.

How can an atheist speak the woo woo of destiny and grace?  Secular utopia ... but don't call it a religion, except for fetishizing consumerism ... it has no god.
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Don't do that.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: SGOS on November 22, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
In addition, no speech is free of consequences.  You might be free to say anything you want, but the government should not be given the final authority to squelch specific types of speech.  This is where a reasoning, educated, and intelligent populace has an obligation and a duty to respond to the speech with reasoned and critical speech or writing of its own that exposes the ignorance of bad ideas for what they are.

The populace is where the real power over stupid speech comes from, far surpassing the power of government.  The millennial generation needs to embrace that responsibility and utilize the freedom granted by their own right to free speech.  They need to debate stupidity, rather than have someone else make it a felony.  Passing the power to the government means you actually give up the power you now have.  You can choose government power over personal responsibility, perhaps because you're too lazy, or too fearful, but those are not laudable personal goals in a free society.

Use it or lose it.  Don't throw free speech away because you'd rather not bother with it.  All freedoms come with a degree of responsibility.

Agree.

It's the proverbial sword with two-edges: with the students willing to give to the state some power - censoring is a form of power that the state will readily enjoy - there is no guarantee that once the state has these powers, it will carry the students' agenda - take care of their sensitivity scale. We saw that after 9/11, when the government appropriated more powers at the expense of individual freedoms for security reasons, and most folks went along with that - the same taking place in France right now. But once those laws were passed, the government over-extended these powers, as witnessed from the wikileaks and the Snowden affairs. So our students - young, gullible and naive , :lol:- are unconsciously doing something that history tells us to thread very carefully.

GrinningYMIR

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I'm against this and I'm a millennial. There's a difference between being racist and decidedly antagonistic and not having a thick skin. My gay friend calls me faggot all the time and when I call him the same he says "you better believe it buddy. I love me some cock"

I know that isn't the norm but we don't need a "cultural space" or a "minority appreciation month" that's asking for segregation again without using the word. If you have a space where only a certain race can go, and or be treated better than another. That's segregation

No ands ifs buts or social justic Warriors can change that
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mauricio

Quote from: Shiranu on November 21, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
Hate to break it, but we still have a looooong way before we match the institutionalized racism, homophobia and sexism that plagued our parents generations. We at least are trying to fix it... I rather we go too far than not bother at all.

and i rather do it by addressing real things without hyperbolic paranoid rhetoric and censorious practices that is why i will challenge SJW shitty rhetoric tainting good causes like gender egalitarianism and the fight vs racism and xenophobia.

Shiranu

Quote from: mauricio on November 22, 2015, 07:15:15 PM
and i rather do it by addressing real things without hyperbolic paranoid rhetoric and censorious practices that is why i will challenge SJW shitty rhetoric tainting good causes like gender egalitarianism and the fight vs racism and xenophobia.

Note I said in my first post that I think it sometimes goes way too far. That said this generation simply is better on social issues... even when some aspects are taken too far.
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