Paris shootings

[Hijiri Byakuren]

Islam, like all religions, is fundamentally incompatible with with secular rule. This is why the religions who make the news less often are considerably watered down compared to their roots, whereas Islam is still capable of spawning completely new states dedicated to creating a new Caliphate.

Like it or not, Islam is extremely violent compared to its sister religions, and the existence of "moderates" does not change the fact that ISIS simply could not be the threat that it is without a truly staggering number of Muslims supporting or at least tacitly condoning its goals. No other religion in modern times has a comparable example of that kind of sheer zeal. Christians may be willing to use existing government structures for their own ends, but "radical" Muslims created a viable state from scratch.

Basically, when we get a Christian State or a Hindu State created from scratch by extremists in modern times, you can go ahead and claim that Islam is not uniquely dangerous. As things stand right now, though, it is uniquely dangerous compared to other religions, and no amount of denial from the bleeding-hearts is going to change that.

[peacewithoutgod]

There you go again making things up.....Teach love to children that's what I do..Teach them to love others that's what I do..Teach them discipline and respect. The problem of this world stems from people that hate other people because they think they know them based on the world's eye view. Stop the hatred because nobody has your world view..

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You don't teach children love, because you cannot - you have no idea what that word means. Love does not come from Jesus, nor the god who committed child sacrifice (allegedly for your benefit), nor the utterly barbaric stories in your socially reprehensible bible.

You don't teach true discipline and respect, you wouldn't know either if it bit you in the ass! You teach nothing but fear, because that is all you understand.

You understand none of the above, as normal humans do, because your evil doctrines have corrupted the good in you which comes naturally to those whose ideas weren't pre-manufactured for them.

As for my world view, stop pretending like you know the first thing on that!

[peacewithoutgod]

Agreed with all of what you said but this part of the article:

I understand that the majority of believers think that their conception of their faith is the ONE TRUE version of it. But that is simply false claiming that ISIS is not islamic is neither honest nor useful. We must recognize that there's not ONE TRUE ISLAM but various interpretations a fact which obviously conflicts with the dogmatic and exceptionalist nature of religion, therefore many believers refuse to accept it (the atheist bleeding heart liberals have no excuse, though, they are just PC drones). And one plausible interpretation of islamic text is the ISIS interpretation too. If we cannot recognize the problem for what it truly is we cannot fight it. Neither is this a question of is it political or is it religious?  The answer is that it is clearly a mixture. If you analyze islamist and jihadist rhetoric you will find political elements and also islamic elements.

So very sorry you feel that way, Mauricio, and while I'm not very comfortable with my own recent transition to the dark side, I just have to ask: what are Muslims really doing to help the world fight ISIS (when their own national borders aren't threatened by it)? How many US Muslim organizations, or Muslim organizations anywhere have publicly denounced the violence of terrorism in the name of Islam?

[mauricio]

How many US Muslim organizations, or Muslim organizations anywhere have publicly denounced the violence of terrorism in the name of Islam?

That's the thing though, they denounce the violence but they do not wish to admit that islam has something to do with it, because they are too biased in their believe of their own interpretation as the true or correct interpretation, therefore whatever ISIS is it cannot be truly islamic. (http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html) In the same way they many times whitewash the defects of islamic doctrine that become patently real in theocracies like Saudi Arabia. This intellectual dishonesty is a great disservice to the world. What we can do is break people free of dogmatic mindsets, rather than attempting to convert them to atheism which would probably only backfire. We can teach them about the scholarly tradition of Islam where scripture was interpreted through debate between scholars. And we can teach about how human rights and secularism is the best way for multicultural societies to exist in peace. This may not be the utopic solution but it is probably the most pragmatic: to reform their faith.

watch from minute 8 onwards if you cannot watch the full thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHCpc_bXo5w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2prB3weT4c

[peacewithoutgod]

That's the thing though, they denounce the violence but they do not wish to admit that islam has something to do with it, because they are too biased in their believe of their own interpretation as the true or correct interpretation, therefore whatever ISIS is it cannot be truly islamic. (http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html) In the same way they many times whitewash the defects of islamic doctrine that become patently real in theocracies like Saudi Arabia. This intellectual dishonesty is a great disservice to the world. What we can do is break people free of dogmatic mindsets, rather than attempting to convert them to atheism which would probably only backfire. We can teach them about the scholarly tradition of Islam where scripture was interpreted through debate between scholars. And we can teach about how human rights and secularism is the best way for multicultural societies to exist in peace. This may not be the utopic solution but it is probably the most pragmatic: to reform their faith.

watch from minute 8 onwards if you cannot watch the full thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHCpc_bXo5w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2prB3weT4c

Why do you expect they would listen to us?

[mauricio]

Why do you expect they would listen to us?

Because we will target the ones that do. The young ones living in better conditions on multicultural countries: places like Britain or the USA and their community leaders that understand and we will intellectually demolish the islamist narrative in the public discourse.

[pr126]

Here we go.

In my earlier post I wrote: I wonder which politician will say first that the Paris attacks have nothing to do with Islam.


Theresa May: the Paris attacks ‘have nothing to do with Islam’

On a day when Jeremy Corbyn has been making clear his concerns about both the government’s use of drones and any shoot-to-kill policy for terrorists on British streets, Theresa May’s statement on the Paris attacks was striking for the level of cross-party agreement.

Andy Burnham paid generous tribute to the Home Secretary and pledged Labour’s support for her anti-terror crackdown. The only discordant note came on the question of police funding. Burnham aligned himself with Bernard Hogan-Howe’s warning that cuts of more than 10 percent to police funding would make it harder to keep the streets safe.

May set out how the police here would ‘intensify’ their approach to big events in an attempt to prevent a Paris-style attack here. She stressed that the kind of weapons used in Paris on Friday night were ‘not readily available in the UK’ and said she would urge other EU countries to toughen up their firearms laws in an attempt to restrict the supply of automatic weapons. She also declared that ‘the attacks have nothing to do with Islam’. Now, one can understand why the Home Secretary wanted to say this. But denying the link between this attack and a particular interpretation of Islam is not going to make it any easier to counter either the terrorist threat or the attempt to radicalise a segment of the population.

[peacewithoutgod]

Here we go.

In my earlier post I wrote: I wonder which politician will say first that the Paris attacks have nothing to do with Islam.


Theresa May: the Paris attacks ‘have nothing to do with Islam’

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[pr126]

H G Wells  The Time Machine.  Remember the Eloi and the Morlocks? 

What the hell is wrong with these people?

[Baruch]

We are all Morlocks.  If pacifists had directly confronted Hitler, they would all be dead (which if you believe in an afterlife, is exactly what they want).  Even Einstein had to set aside pacifism temporarily.  It is pacifists who are the mutants.

On the usual Not A True Scotsman ... Hitler wasn't a true German either, he was Austrian, and Jewish on his mother's side ;-)  So on that basis, we can't attack Nazi Germany ... too many innocent Germans (who are enabling their war machine) might be killed.

Yes, if you think that ISIS should be fought in Syria rather than Europe .. go fight them there.  Don't expect anyone else to do it for you.  That would be like England expecting France to defeat Germany on their own.

[josephpalazzo]

Why Griffin? That place is a fucking shithole.

I can see the news now: Griffin was bombed, causing 10 million dollars in improvements.

From: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2001/september-11th-attacks-cause-anti-muslim-backlash

In Griffin, Ga., a police department employee was asked to resign after circulating the kind of e-mail message that was far from rare: It called for bombing the Muslim holy city of Mecca, Saudi Arabia, so worshippers would be forced to pray "at a crater 25 miles across."

That should do it in putting that "fucking shithole" on the terrorists' list.

[peacewithoutgod]

H G Wells  The Time Machine.  Remember the Eloi and the Morlocks? 

What the hell is wrong with these people?

[The Skeletal Atheist]

From: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2001/september-11th-attacks-cause-anti-muslim-backlash


That should do it in putting that "fucking shithole" on the terrorists' list.

Well thanks, random PD employee.

[josephpalazzo]

Two people were killed as police carried out a seven-hour raid on a flat suspected of housing the alleged mastermind of Friday's attacks.

A woman blew herself up with a suicide belt and another suspect was killed by gunfire. Seven arrests were made.

But the fate of chief suspect Abdelhamid Abaaoud was not yet clear.

He was initially thought to have directed the attacks from Syria, but prosecutor Francois Molins said intelligence indicated he was in Paris.

The French government said on Wednesday it had finally identified all the 129 victims of last Friday's attack.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34853657

[The Skeletal Atheist]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34853657

At least it was only Islamist dickbags that got killed this time.