Paris shootings

[missingnocchi]

@ AllPurposeAtheist

So religion (Islam) is just a ruse, a convenient excuse to make trillions to some unidentified (I presume you mean American)  cabal.

Not taking into account the history of Islam, that conquered, murdered, enslaved, destroyed civilizations centuries before that greedy cabal existed.

So why is then that the USA is $18 trillions in the red?

Oh, please. Everyone knows America is just the current front organization for the Illuminati. It used to be the Catholic church, of course, and Islam was necessary to consolidate their power. Muhammad was actually Pope Gregory in disguise.

[Shiranu]

A region ravaged by a hundred+ years of colonialism then imperialism and wars sparked by foreign powers, some of those wars being less than 10-20 years ago, probably shouldn't shock people when it isn't a bastion of peace and prosperity and they commit violent acts against us. Especially when we pour billions of dollars into radical states that then export their radical ideology to their neighbours. Or when we propped up brutal dictators and overthrew democracies to protect our interests, either of oil or slowing down the Red Menace, at the cost of decades of choosing a society that was in a constant state of oppression and war with itself rather than a country that can educate it's people and give them a decent life. And yes, Islam plays it's role in the equation, it is a great tool to manipulate people into behaving one way or another, for better and for often worse.

But no, I'm sure an extremely complex dynamic that I didn't even remotely manage to scratch the surface of can be summarized in one sentence; "Islam is violent, so it's all Islam's fault!".

That's why the majority of Islamic terrorists in the West come from countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Turkey, Nigeria, Ethiopia... the countries with the largest Muslim populations surely must be the one's attacking us because we aren't Muslim, right?

[pr126]

A region ravaged by a hundred+ years of colonialism then imperialism and wars sparked by foreign powers, some of those wars being less than 10-20 years ago, probably shouldn't shock people when it isn't a bastion of peace and prosperity and they commit violent acts against us. Especially when we pour billions of dollars into radical states that then export their radical ideology to their neighbours. Or when we propped up brutal dictators and overthrew democracies to protect our interests, either of oil or slowing down the Red Menace, at the cost of decades of choosing a society that was in a constant state of oppression and war with itself rather than a country that can educate it's people and give them a decent life. And yes, Islam plays it's role in the equation, it is a great tool to manipulate people into behaving one way or another, for better and for often worse.

But no, I'm sure an extremely complex dynamic that I didn't even remotely manage to scratch the surface of can be summarized in one sentence; "Islam is violent, so it's all Islam's fault!".

That's why the majority of Islamic terrorists in the West come from countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Turkey, Nigeria, Ethiopia... the countries with the largest Muslim populations surely must be the one's attacking us because we aren't Muslim, right?

OK, let's see.

How the Jihadi Mayhem began with the Jihad against the Arabs (622-634 C.E. 1-8 A.H.)

This site brings you the history of the Islamic Jihad from its beginnings at Mecca in 620 C.E. up to 9/11, and the lessons it has for us in today’s challenging times. If we are to understand Islam, we need to understand the temperament of its founder Mohammed (PBUH*), the way victorious Muslims have treated the subject people, and above all the reasons for the victory of Islam.

I am pretty sure that colonialism did not exist yet in the 7th century, certainly not in Arabia as far as history indicates.

Yet jihad, or holy war started, and in less than a century Islam has claimed an empire larger that the Roman empire was before it.

So who was the conqueror coloniser then?
Europe? Or America which did not yet exist?

India was invaded 638 AD and Muslims massacred 80 million of them.
Were the Hindus colonizers / oppressors of the Arabs?
How about Afghanistan? Armenians? North Africa?
Persia?
The Mongols?
The turks?

When,  do you think Jihad started?  9/11?

Could Islam really be the motivation for 14 centuries of mayhem?

[josephpalazzo]

I am pretty sure that colonialism did not exist yet in the 7th century, certainly not in Arabia as far as history indicates.

Yet jihad, or holy war started, and in less than a century Islam has claimed an empire larger that the Roman empire was before it.

So who was the conqueror coloniser then?
Europe? Or America which did not yet exist?

India was invaded 638 AD and Muslims massacred 80 million of them.
Were the Hindus colonizers / oppressors of the Arabs?
How about Afghanistan? Armenians? North Africa?
Persia?
The Mongols?
The turks?

When,  do you think Jihad started?  9/11?

Could Islam really be the motivation for 14 centuries of mayhem?

But give the guy some credit, Mohammed invited all the heads-of-state in his times to convert to Islam. He wasn't so crass as to colonize the world, like Christopher Columbus and those awful Europeans who stole America without the natives' consent. He gave them ample warnings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_letters_to_the_Heads-of-State

[pr126]

Makes me wonder what they are teaching in the colleges / universities about Islam.

[Shiranu]

Just to respond to the inevitable, "Why aren't Muslims condemning this!"...

http://qz.com/550104/muslims-around-the-world-condemn-terrorism-after-the-paris-attacks/

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11545501

http://time.com/4112830/muslims-paris-terror-attacks-islam-condemn/

Could Islam really be the motivation for 14 centuries of mayhem?

Islam was to blame for the largest genocides and death counts in human history; the Mongolian invasions, the Holocaust, the Native American genocide, Stalin's murder of 34 to 49 million people under his reign, Mao's 76 million killed, Leopold's 6-14 million killed in the Congo, the Irish Potato famine and Britain's insistence on making it even worse, the Cambodian Genocide, the Nigerian Civil War, the Bar Khoba revolt, the Rwandan Genocide, the treatment of the indigenous of South America and Australia, the Dark Ages, the generations lost as puppets and satellite states to the United States and Communist Russia, the multiple European lead crusades... should I go on?

Sorry mate, but Islam doesn't hold some special place in creating violence. America has been at war for nearly it's entire history.... the only reason you don't see us as a threat is because we are on your side. But what do you think will happen when you are no longer useful to us? Do you think we would blink twice before invading you if we believed it fit our exceptionalist agenda? Why don't you fight with such zest over American terrorism all over the world... or is it bad only when it might effect you?

[pr126]

Shiranu wrote:

Islam was to blame for the largest genocides and death counts in human history; the Mongolian invasions, the Holocaust, the Native American genocide, Stalin's murder of 34 to 49 million people under his reign, Mao's 76 million killed, Leopold's 6-14 million killed in the Congo, the Irish Potato famine and Britain's insistence on making it even worse, the Cambodian Genocide, the Nigerian Civil War, the Bar Khoba revolt, the Rwandan Genocide, the treatment of the indigenous of South America and Australia, the Dark Ages, the generations lost as puppets and satellite states to the United States and Communist Russia, the multiple European lead crusades... should I go on?

Yes, I think you should go on. One can never have enough tu quoque.

[mauricio]

http://www.antenna.gr/news/-/article/428234/twitter-article

google translate:

From Leros spent one jihadists who bloodied Paris

Full confirmation of the information of ANT1. What says the official announcement of the Citizen Protection Minister Nikos Tosca.

Official announcement, which fully confirms the information ANT1 that at least one perpetrator of the attacks in Paris has reached the French capital through Greece, where he spent pretending refugee, issued by the Minister of Citizen Protection.

As Nick Toskas, "on the case of the Syrian passport found at the scene of the terrorist attack:

We announce that the passport holder, had passed from Leros on 03.10.2015 where identified based on EU rules, as decided at the Summit on the refugee issue.

We do not know if the passport was checked by other countries which are likely to be passed by the holder.

We will continue the painstaking and persistent effort under difficult circumstances to ensure the security of our country and Europe, insisting on complete identification of passing through the refugee stream. "

Earlier Ant1news.gr wrote:

Via Greece and using as a "smokescreen" hordes of refugees seeking a better future in Europe, they arrived in Paris, two of the jihadists that the French authorities regard as depreciation in the investigations on the terrorist attacks that bloodied Paris.

Reportedly ANT1, two, for the movements which had formally requested information from Athens by the French authorities, as stated by the Greek Police and the National Intelligence Service, use the "street" migration of refugees from countries in the Middle East in Central Europe "passes" from Greece.

Based on the same information sources, the two men, moving through the islands of the eastern Aegean, and having a "mask" refugee status, managed to enter the heart of Europe and reach Paris.

Indeed, one of the two suspects, allegedly was one of the "kamikaze" who "beat up" in one of the six deadly attacks in Paris.

Given this "connection" with the hits in Paris, far from accidentally must be considered a strong indication of the Prime Minister to address refugee flows, the statement in which Alexis Tsipras sent a triple message to Europe and the whole Western world.

The Greek authorities remain in constant contact with the French secret services and services of other countries, to exchange information on people who may have relations with the Islamic State.
Vigilant security authorities

Constantly meeting and alertness are from morning officers of the Greek Police, watching from a close eye on developments at European and international level, after the bloody terrorist attacks in France, and after the meeting at the Maximos Mansion decided to receive "necessary additional safety measures ".

Orders were given to intensify the surveillance sites and suspicious people in Greece, and for all actions, the Chief of ELAS Dionysis Tsaknakis and Diooikitis EYP Yiannis Roubatis, constantly inform the Deputy Citizen Protection Minister Nikos Tosca, who is permanent contact with the Prime Minister.

According to officials from the Ministry of Citizen Protection, at the moment there is nothing to cause concern for risk of terrorist attack in Greece, but the authorities are in close contact with other countries and remain vigilant for any eventuality.

[Baruch]

A region ravaged by a hundred+ years of colonialism then imperialism and wars sparked by foreign powers, some of those wars being less than 10-20 years ago, probably shouldn't shock people when it isn't a bastion of peace and prosperity and they commit violent acts against us. Especially when we pour billions of dollars into radical states that then export their radical ideology to their neighbours. Or when we propped up brutal dictators and overthrew democracies to protect our interests, either of oil or slowing down the Red Menace, at the cost of decades of choosing a society that was in a constant state of oppression and war with itself rather than a country that can educate it's people and give them a decent life. And yes, Islam plays it's role in the equation, it is a great tool to manipulate people into behaving one way or another, for better and for often worse.

But no, I'm sure an extremely complex dynamic that I didn't even remotely manage to scratch the surface of can be summarized in one sentence; "Islam is violent, so it's all Islam's fault!".

That's why the majority of Islamic terrorists in the West come from countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Turkey, Nigeria, Ethiopia... the countries with the largest Muslim populations surely must be the one's attacking us because we aren't Muslim, right?

Simply blanketing Islam for blame is bad enough ... the really bad part is the complete denial by the West of their culpability over the last 100 years or even the last 12 years.  It is like a little kid who wets their pants ... but being embarrassed, points out the other kid in class that had the same accident.

[Baruch]

It's a tragedy, especially in the US, that both the Right and the Left keep on accusing each other when they should unite against this threat. Sad.

It isn't a real threat when the MIC is behind it.  False flags in the West are necessary sacrifices for the larger objective ;-(  The Right and Left only united in the US when they were faced with the Axis or the Soviets ... otherwise this is just another opportunity to score points in the domestic political scene.

[Baruch]

@ AllPurposeAtheist

So religion (Islam) is just a ruse, a convenient excuse to make trillions to some unidentified (I presume you mean American)  cabal.

Not taking into account the history of Islam, that conquered, murdered, enslaved, destroyed civilizations centuries before that greedy cabal existed.

So why is then that the USA is $18 trillions in the red?

The Bilderbergers and their Rothschild associates are happy that you let them fade into the background.

Meanwhile, how about a little more la solidarité?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxOl1EraXA

[josephpalazzo]

I feel like they're going to get lost in issues more than directly blaming one another, which is even worse. The last thing that's going to make ANY of this better is:

- This wouldn't have happened if people in that restaurant/concert hall/stadium had guns. You know, because if people in the Twin Towers or on the airplanes had had guns, 9/11 wouldn't have happened...
- This wouldn't have happened if immigrants weren't allowed in the country.
- This wouldn't have happened if I were president... looking at you Donald Trump/Ben Carson

Whether they're lost or keep hammering each other, the country has never been so divided since the Civil War. The Roman empire did not collapse because of the barbarian invasion but because it imploded internally. The US is on the same path.

[josephpalazzo]

Are the Muslims trying to regain what they lost in in 732CE?

The Battle of Tours (often called the Battle of Poitiers, but not to be confused with the Battle of Poitiers, 1356) was fought on October 10, 732 between forces under the Frankish leader Charles Martel and a massive invading Islamic army led by Emir Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi Abd al Rahman, near the city of Tours, France. During the battle, the Franks defeated the Islamic army and Emir Abd er Rahman was killed. This battle stopped the northward advance of Islam from the Iberian peninsula, and is considered by most historians to be of macrohistorical importance, in that it halted the Islamic conquests, and preserved Christianity as the controlling faith in Europe, during a period in which Islam was overrunning the remains of the old Roman and Persian Empires.

...

Contemporary analysis

Had Martel fallen at Tours the long term implications for European Christianity may have been devastating. His victory there, and in the following campaigns, may have literally saved Europe and Christianity as we know it, from conquest while the Caliphate was unified and able to mount such a conquest. Had the Franks fallen, no other power existed stopping Muslim conquest of Italy and the effective end of what would become the modern Catholic Church. In addition, Martel's incorporation of the stirrup and mailed cavalry into the Frankish army gave birth to the armoured Knights which would form the backbone of western armies for the next five centuries. But had Martel failed, there would have been no Charlemagne, no Holy Roman Empire or Papal States. The majority view argues that all these events occurred because Martel was able to contain Islam from expanding into Europe while it could. His son retook Narbonne, and his Grandson Charlamagne actually established the Marca Hispanica across the Pyrenees in part of what today is Catalonia, reconquering Girona in 785 and Barcelona in 801. This formed a permanent buffer zone against Islam, with Frankish strongholds in Iberia, which became the basis, along with the King of Asturias, named Pelayo (718-737, who started his fight against the Moors in the mountains of Covadonga 722) for the origins of the Reconquista until all of the Muslims were expelled from the Iberia.

No later Muslim attempts against Asturias or the Franks was made as conflict between what remained of the Umayyad Dynasty, (which was the Umayyad Emirate and then Caliphate of Iberia) and the Abbasid Caliphate in Baghdad prevented a unified assault on Europe. It would be another 700 years before the Ottomans managed to invade Europe via the Balkans.

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/imperialism/notes/tours.html

[FaithIsFilth]

Impressive. My condolences go out to the people of France who will no doubt lose some kind of freedom at the hands of their own government in response to this.

[FaithIsFilth]

It's a tragedy, especially in the US, that both the Right and the Left keep on accusing each other when they should unite against this threat. Sad.

It is in the best interests of the US that significant damage is not done to Isis and groups like them. Assad and Putin are the real enemy. The Sunni terrorists in Syria that started the conflict are backed and armed by the US and their allies. The Sunni terrorists are basically the United States boots on the ground. Why would politicians in the US want to unite against those that are helping the business interests of the US? Petraeus has outright suggested arming Al Qaeda in Syria. Right now the Sunni terrorists are doing more good than harm for the US and it's allies. A few terrorist attacks in the West are no big deal in the big picture for those in charge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_uzlBBPJ2Y