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Started by Solomon Zorn, November 02, 2015, 05:25:15 AM

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Solomon Zorn

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ted-cruz-climate-change-not-science-its-religion
QuoteGlenn Beck dedicated a portion of his television program last night to the remainder of his one-on-one interview with Sen. Ted Cruz, in which the GOP presidential hopeful declared that those who believe in climate change do not bother to cite facts in support of their position because, for them, it is a religion.

Pointing to a recent congressional hearing in which he grilled the president of the Sierra Club about the supposed lack of data and evidence for the existence of global warming, Cruz told Beck that "climate change is not science, it's religion."

"Look at the language where they call you a 'denier,'" he said. "Denier is not the language of science. Look, I'm the child of two scientists ... The essence of the scientific method is to start with a hypothesis, then look to the evidence to disprove the hypothesis; you're not trying to prove it, you're trying to disprove it. Any good scientist is a skeptic; if he's not, he or she should not be a scientist. But yet the language of the global warming alarmists, 'denier' is the language of religion, it's heretic, you are a blasphemer. The response from the Sierra Club, 'We have decreed this is the answer, you must accept it.' And so he didn't know his facts because he just knew his religion."
I think it's so sweet, how he uses "religion" as a derogatory word. But does he have a point?
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Quote from: Solomon Zorn on November 02, 2015, 05:25:15 AM
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ted-cruz-climate-change-not-science-its-religion I think it's so sweet, how he uses "religion" as a derogatory word. But does he have a point?

His point is quite clear.  But his knowledge of facts is completely fucked up.  Therefore, his point is invalid.

Baruch

Replace "religion" with "ideology".  Left and Right positions are ideological ... not scientific.  There is science, but they are not involved in the public debate.  And there is a debate, because the obvious correction involves a lot fewer people, living in a Logan's Run society.  At best a high-tech version of 1900.  The actual science (not carbon credits et al) is difficult for even specialists to understand, because it is the result of complicated numerical simulation ... so unlike some more simpler science, it isn't self supporting in the public sphere.
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Mermaid

Ted Cruz should be forced to sit, toothpicks holding his eyelids open, and watch Neil DeGrasse Tyson's Cosmos episode in which he discusses greenhouse gases, climate change and weather. He puts a complicated topic in 3rd grade language that anyone with an IQ over 15 can understand.

In fact, that should be mandatory viewing for every person in the universe.
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josephpalazzo

Quote from: Solomon Zorn on November 02, 2015, 05:25:15 AM
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ted-cruz-climate-change-not-science-its-religion I think it's so sweet, how he uses "religion" as a derogatory word. But does he have a point?

He's most likely unaware that he is using the word "religion" in a derogatory fashion. It would have been interesting had the interviewer made that comment. OTOH, he has a point in saying that scientists on the whole are sceptics. But then he falls short in avoiding the issue that an overwhelming number of scientists have published data that supports the thesis that climate change is occurring and is most likely due to human activity. Is he that ignorant or was he playing to a certain crowd for political reasons? He's a politician, so there, that should answer it.

PopeyesPappy

Quote from: Baruch on November 02, 2015, 06:48:10 AM
The actual science (not carbon credits et al) is difficult for even specialists to understand, because it is the result of complicated numerical simulation ... so unlike some more simpler science, it isn't self supporting in the public sphere.

The actual science as you call it is not that hard to understand, and your complicated numerical simulations can be run on an excel spreadsheet. The only real issue with the science is scientists don't have enough data to accurately forecast the climate sensitivity variable in their model.

You are right about one thing though. Carbon credits et al have nothing to do with the science. That is policy not science. The biggest problem is that elected leaders have taken it on themselves to debate the validity of the science. That's not their job. Their job is to set policy i.e carbon credits et al. The problem with that is the science says they should be setting policy that would be unpopular with their corporate masters. So instead of doing their job they have decided to attempt to discredit what is for them an inconvenient truth.
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jonb

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on November 02, 2015, 08:30:20 AM
So instead of doing their job they have decided to attempt to discredit what is for them an inconvenient truth.

Sorry I thought 'discrediting inconvenient truths' was a politicians job description, are they supposed to do something else as well?

For the life of me I can't think what it could be.

Mike Cl

Quote from: jonb on November 02, 2015, 08:39:45 AM
Sorry I thought 'discrediting inconvenient truths' was a politicians job description, are they supposed to do something else as well?

For the life of me I can't think what it could be.
I see that as what should be.  What is, is---reelection, reelection, reelection; and that requires the help and approval of their corporate sponsors.   It's that simple. 
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AllPurposeAtheist

I'm with Ted on this.  I don't know fuck about podietry surgery so the only conclusion that I can come to is that feet are a myth and a religion for anyone who thinks there's actually anything beyond ankles.
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Hydra009

QuoteLook, I'm the child of two scientists ...
Ted Cruz: living refutation of Lamarckism

josephpalazzo

Quote from: Hydra009 on November 02, 2015, 11:29:02 AM
Ted Cruz: living refutation of Lamarckism

I don't think that Ted Cruz ever encountered the word "Lamarckism"...

AllPurposeAtheist

Well since climate change is a religion we should all start wearing a melting glacier on a chain around our necks.
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Solomon Zorn

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Quote from: Hydra009 on November 02, 2015, 11:29:02 AM
Ted Cruz: living refutation of Lamarckism
Actually, he's the posterboy for it. Here's his father:
"https://www.youtube.com/embed/fFhU_VAgPT8"
If you can't hear it, he says the next thing the gays will push for is to legalize pedophilia.
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SGOS

Quote from: Solomon Zorn on November 02, 2015, 01:57:56 PM
If you can't hear it, he says the next thing the gays will push for is to legalize pedophilia.

No, actually.  That would be the Catholic Church.

Solomon Zorn

Quote from: SGOS on November 02, 2015, 06:17:05 AM
His point is quite clear.  But his knowledge of facts is completely fucked up.  Therefore, his point is invalid.
His point about belief that climate change taking place being a religion is invalid. But if what he said about the president of the Sierra Club, coming to a Congressional hearing without some statistics and anecdotes at his disposal, is true, I think that's unfortunate. Assholes like Cruz will make the most of any weakness.
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