Started by josephpalazzo, October 28, 2015, 09:41:35 AM
Quote from: gentle_dissident on October 31, 2015, 07:40:44 PMSounds familiar.
Quote from: Atheon on October 28, 2015, 01:59:49 PMAl Gore rhythm?
Quote from: stromboli on October 28, 2015, 04:31:28 PMAl Gore got rhythm?
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on November 02, 2015, 09:16:16 AMI'm afraid there's just no empirical evidence to support the existence of this.
Quote from: Baruch on October 30, 2015, 07:34:23 AMOnly dogs eat their own shit. Got dog?
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on November 02, 2015, 09:10:18 AMI'm reading through a similar discussion in Darwin's Dangerous Idea, an old one by Daniel Dennett. It explains why no designing mind is necessary for life to evolve.http://www.amazon.com/DARWINS-DANGEROUS-IDEA-EVOLUTION-MEANINGS/dp/068482471X
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 04, 2015, 05:17:14 PMApparently complexity can arise from very simple natural laws, as cellular automata seem to show. Minds are just another level of complexity, and so should be able to evolve without conscious direction from a divine mind, just a few simple rules endlessly iterated.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on November 06, 2015, 10:10:03 AMBut you need a god to put a soul in that thingamajing...
Quote from: Jason78 on November 06, 2015, 01:51:01 PMWhat if those neural cellular automata can be replaced with silicone and graphene? Say they added them one at a a time to copy each existing neuron perfectly and then take them over, would you even notice? Would you be the same person?
Quote from: Baruch on November 06, 2015, 11:36:14 AMNot really. You mean like this?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_of_the_MachineRandian polemic. Paterson (author) was a deist. Rand was an atheist. Both were progenitors of the right-wing mess we have now, though the current direct descendants of Ron Paul and Rand Paul are flogging a dead horse.Or just struggling with Descartes dualism? This is why Descartes made the term "mind" popular, to avoid words like "soul" and "spirit". He was trying to avoid the Inquisition. Reductionism causes one to look thru the wrong end of the telescope.
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on November 08, 2015, 05:26:56 PMYes, gotta love how the Tea Party libertarians love so much the ideas of a Social Darwinian atheist, of a philosophy which follows essentially the same as the Anton LeVay Satanists.On reductionism - that is such a quaint old word which you tend to favor, but I have to ask just exactly what you have in mind by it? We all practice reductionism to some degree.