Tolerance: Muslims Versus Jews

[jonb]

Once again, patriarchal bullshit does play into it. I never denied that. What I'm asking is what's being done to protect LGBT people and women from Muslims? And yes, I will flatly say Muslims. Islam is directly opposed to LGBT and women's rights. What steps are being taken to minimize violence against LGBT people?

If the children have no protection that does not matter, you only want to know about one community?

Yes lets all trot towards a world where we only look after our own and to hell with everyone else.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

for pakistan yes it is. saudis had money, they already had censorship programs established for these kind of things so they weren't that effected. they could just remove that video from their youtube, for pakistan entire youtube was and is blocked.
yes you can view youtube in pakistan as well, but it is difficult and quality goes down way too much and the buffering time and other websites gets knocked off too. my happy porn watching days almost ended. and i am one of those computer people who actually knows some serious stuffs about internet.

The problem is we lose alot. most people aren't that motivated to search for different ideas. imagine pr gives you a controversial video link. will you watch it, maybe. but what if it is 2 hours long, less chances you will watch it. now imagine you have to jump to different websites (like say a proxy site) and then access it. speed is slow quality is horrible. you see how much people will want to invest their time in a video that might be just useless.

so whether you like it or not the video "the innocence of Muslims" might have caused more damage than benefits. we lost great tool and what did you get, almost nothing. hell maybe even more bigotry against muslim.
 

I didn't know you were actually Pakistani.

I will agree that the censorship is regrettable, but it doesn't have to be a video. Critical text is equally as important. Once again, it mainly applies to those who desire to know more. They will find a way. I mean, you're on an atheist forum. I'm sure your government wouldn't approve, but here you are.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

If the children have no protection that does not matter, you only want to know about one community?

Yes lets all trot towards a world where we only look after our own and to hell with everyone else.

Where did I say I don't care about children or other people? Of course I worry about children, but that's not what I'm currently asking about. Do I need to include everyone every time?

Fine: what's being done to protect people from potential violence? Are we to assume the migrants are all angels and the potential for violence isn't there?

[CloneKai]

I didn't know you were actually Pakistani.

I will agree that the censorship is regrettable, but it doesn't have to be a video. Critical text is equally as important. Once again, it mainly applies to those who desire to know more. They will find a way. I mean, you're on an atheist forum. I'm sure your government wouldn't approve, but here you are.

I used to use vpn in a freaking tor network  :33:
and right now i am in Germany so no problem.

But the problem is i am an atheist (i was an athiest even before i started searching for these kind of things online), what about liberal muslim. even they don't know the benefit of secular state, even though they see fat ass mullas using islam every freaking day.

yes text right now can get through, and everyone is probably waiting for ability to censor that to be made in the west and then sold to pakistanis as well.

yes, it depends on the person. but i think their must be enough motivation for them, and easier access will benefit us all.
what i am saying is talking shit about islam probably will not help instead create more devide and more chances of radical idiots.

[CloneKai]

I made one pakistani go through the yahoo comment section, you know to teach him that the entire government wasn't behind the video and there are actual people who hate islam and some for very credible reasons. he said he got into a flame war and eventually learned some good liberal stuffs.

[josephpalazzo]

Thank you for giving me a clear and concise answer to my question. [emoji4]


Secretly a Warsie.

How about brief? Oh wait, 4 lines in a post must be right on the threshold of being "brief".

[mauricio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swJ10usbFw4

[josephpalazzo]

Meh, Jew created Hollywood. They are the undisputed masters in film making. Now why don't the Muslims get their act together and make movies to make themselves look good... Oh wait:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1119922/British-students-turned-jihadi-fanatics-ISIS-recruitment-video.html

[CloneKai]

Meh, Jew created Hollywood. They are the undisputed masters in film making. Now why don't the Muslims get their act together and make movies to make themselves look good... Oh wait:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1119922/British-students-turned-jihadi-fanatics-ISIS-recruitment-video.html

hi
we do make shitty movies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuda_Kay_Liye
here i think it is called lolywood
:41:

[mauricio]

yes, it depends on the person. but i think their must be enough motivation for them, and easier access will benefit us all.
what i am saying is talking shit about islam probably will not help instead create more devide and more chances of radical idiots.

I like the approach of maajid nawaz, not ignoring the problematic verses in the quran and the hadith, but rather advocating for their reformation based on traditional islamic scholarship. He also uses a conciliatory tone and rhetoric that i think would be very helpful to reach people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkTAFpQTcJ4

[The Skeletal Atheist]

I used to use vpn in a freaking tor network  :33:
and right now i am in Germany so no problem.

But the problem is i am an atheist (i was an athiest even before i started searching for these kind of things online), what about liberal muslim. even they don't know the benefit of secular state, even though they see fat ass mullas using islam every freaking day.

yes text right now can get through, and everyone is probably waiting for ability to censor that to be made in the west and then sold to pakistanis as well.

yes, it depends on the person. but i think their must be enough motivation for them, and easier access will benefit us all.
what i am saying is talking shit about islam probably will not help instead create more devide and more chances of radical idiots.

Easier access would be beneficial.

As per insulting Islam: yes, it causes radicals and moderates alike to be offended, but I would argue that it's a needed thing. Muslims, and others as well need to learn that being offended is the price of free speech. Hell, some Muslims already put out extremely offensive things, but can't take it when others offend. Being offended is part of how one learns. When you're offended you need to examine why you're offended rather than shut it out. Does it hold to reason? Many people need to learn this rather than being needlessly offended.

I made one pakistani go through the yahoo comment section, you know to teach him that the entire government wasn't behind the video and there are actual people who hate islam and some for very credible reasons. he said he got into a flame war and eventually learned some good liberal stuffs.

That's pretty awesome.

[mauricio]

Meh, Jew created Hollywood. They are the undisputed masters in film making. Now why don't the Muslims get their act together and make movies to make themselves look good... Oh wait:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1119922/British-students-turned-jihadi-fanatics-ISIS-recruitment-video.html

"look around you when you are sitting in comfort and ask yourself is this how you want to die?"

yes.


Now what?

Gotta love idealists falling into the sword for a worthless cause. I would like to  see their face as they lie with broken bones and shards of metal on their meat and realize they were fucking useless.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

Go back to /pol/.

[Mike Cl]

meaning of Terrorism from oxforddictionaries.com
"The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims"
Hmm
so Hamas attacks aren't terrorist? I mean they probably do authorize the rockets attacks. and who is the one to authorize violence and make them non terrorist attacks? What about ISIS, is that authorization power yet.

The word terrorist always made me confuse. anyone can call anyone terrorist (i believe saudia arab calls saudi atheist terrorist or something like that) and we have to believe the American government to identify who is the terrorist.

why can't the term non-state actors be used instead.

The word 'terrorist' is just about always in the eye of the beholder--like beauty or cult.  I would suggest that from prehistory one group has been terrorizing another group. We used terrorist tactics in the American Revolution--I would say that all warfare calls for the use of terror tactics.  One side calls it terror tactics and the other side calls it warfare or justified violence.  Likewise, what is beautiful?  One person says that a person is beautiful, and another says they are ugly.  And what is a cult?  It is what a bigger religion calls a smaller religion.  Terrorism is really a propaganda term used to make those who use those tactics seem like the bad guy.  Even when both sides use those tactics.

[CloneKai]

Easier access would be beneficial.

As per insulting Islam: yes, it causes radicals and moderates alike to be offended, but I would argue that it's a needed thing. Muslims, and others as well need to learn that being offended is the price of free speech. Hell, some Muslims already put out extremely offensive things, but can't take it when others offend. Being offended is part of how one learns. When you're offended you need to examine why you're offended rather than shut it out. Does it hold to reason? Many people need to learn this rather than being needlessly offended.
That's pretty awesome.

Nice point but
most of the muslim don't see it.
if for example that video or picture or whatever is aired in muslim majority country in a periodic manner, they will no doubt get used to it.
but that is not what is happening, instead we hear something was said. people go batshit crazy, those people are condemned end of story.
and those who insult islam  always comes from the west, the countries who are killing muslims all over the place. not from china or russia or japan or from africa.

so us vs them, good vs evil mantra stays alive

Obviously, you people cannot stop freedom of doing that in your place nor should you.
but there should be a way for these muslim to see you as you are, not as some evil force from hell, bend on destroying islam. And maybe they might get motivated to hear what you guys have to say.
so some people insult islam or muslim, great no problem. but some people must tell them why freedom of expression is such an important thing. and that too by not insulting them first, after all people don't normally listen after being insulted.

different ideas in pakistan are very rare. everyone seems to be talking the same shit, think doing the same thing.

This is in my opinion, the most important reason why muslim world produce so many terrorists. is because they never hear other people, they never see other people. so it is so easy to dehumanize people, so easy to believe in conspiracy theories.
wonder why pakistanis weren't condemning 9/11 or al quida in droves, because they believe america was behind it, so they could attack the muslim world.

who are terrorist attacks in pakistan
http://arynews.tv/en/raw-seen-behind-peshawar-air-base-attack-ary-website-poll/