Tolerance: Muslims Versus Jews

[CloneKai]

Simply calling out what a shit religion Islam is without people jumping in to say "but the Christians are doing bad things also!" would help. Yes, we know that. We already call them out. You don't see anyone jumping in on Christianity related threads whining about how bad the Muslims are as well.

would that help?
Remember the youtube video "the truth of islam" or something like that
the result was pakistani government blocked youtube
it was blocked and still is.
it was great place to get different kind of ideas (and huge amount of videos on atheist and their ideas) and now nothing.
so that didn't help anyone other than conservative mullas and islamism probably

[pr126]

force as in military force?
by killing people?

Well, what do you think?
Can you talk them out of it? Please can you stop the jihad, is bad for us?
Have a cup of tea with Abu Bakar Al Baghdadi have a nice little chat?
I am sure they will all pack up their toys and go home.

An other option is that we collectively get out the gene pool, and there will be nothing to worry about any more.
Is that better?

Islam does not negotiate, does not compromise.
It is a zero sum game. There can be only a winner or a loser.

[jonb]

Nice way to dance away from my central question.

Obviously patriarchal bullshit comes into play, but I picked the Rotherham instance specifically because it was the cultural and religious identity of the perpetrators that made the authorities hesitate to act.

Once again, what is being done to assure the LGBT community and women of their safety? These people come from cultures that impose severe violence upon LGBT people and women. Something needs to be done to make sure these vulnerable populations are kept safe from violence.

No it is not fucking dancing away from the question it is bloody well central to it, even though it is never pursued the excuse most often given across all those cases by police and social workers was that these men were those children's boyfriends and girls from that sort of background well. . . .


Who protected the boys the MP for Rochdale used.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

would that help?
Remember the youtube video "the truth of islam" or something like that
the result was pakistani government blocked youtube
it was blocked and still is.
it was great place to get different kind of ideas (and huge amount of videos on atheist and their ideas) and now nothing.
so that didn't help anyone other than conservative mullas and islamism probably

It was "the innocence of Muslims".

It's blocked, yes, but do you honestly think that everything is blocked? There are Saudi atheist forums out there. With technology these days it's impossible to block everything, unless you completely spurn the internet like the glorious DPRK has done. All I want to happen is the people who want to know more to get that information. Thanks to the internet it is happening.

[CloneKai]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvvQJ_zsL1U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

I don't know about anyone else but i certainly don't feel empowered when i see Sam Harris talk. (and i am a liberal from muslim world).

[jonb]

It is always the same.
I remember when troubles kicked off in Northern Ireland the first homes burnt were not those of the strong protestants or the committed catholics, but as always mixed married families with connections to both sides.

Because people who want a fight like nice clean black an white lines without individuals that might find ways to live with each other.

[CloneKai]

Well, what do you think?
Can you talk them out of it? Please can you stop the jihad, is bad for us?
Have a cup of tea with Abu Bakar Al Baghdadi have a nice little chat?
I am sure they will all pack up their toys and go home.

An other option is that we collectively get out the gene pool, and there will be nothing to worry about any more.
Is that better?

Islam does not negotiate, does not compromise.
It is a zero sum game. There can be only a winner or a loser.

interesting
no i cant talk to people who are already established and can kill me anytime they want.
so i will have to die for islam to die.
hmm
well knowing that most of the poor country will probably not side with the west and then there is china, russia and maybe even india. so basically you believe that the entire world must be destroyed to destroy islam.
maybe it is better to let islam live for now, couple of million death is no problem and even the death of western principles isn't that bad. eventually the muslim will come into the 21st century  even if it 3000 years from now.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

No it is not fucking dancing away from the question it is bloody well central to it, even though it is never pursued the excuse most often given across all those cases by police and social workers was that these men were those children's boyfriends and girls from that sort of background well. . . .


Who protected the boys the MP for Rochdale used.

Once again, patriarchal bullshit does play into it. I never denied that. What I'm asking is what's being done to protect LGBT people and women from Muslims? And yes, I will flatly say Muslims. Islam is directly opposed to LGBT and women's rights. What steps are being taken to minimize violence against LGBT people?

[pr126]

What steps are being taken to minimize violence against LGBT people?

None.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

None.

That's my fear.

[pr126]

CloneCai wrote:

eventually the muslim will come into the 21st century  even if it 3000 years from now.

By the way, 3000 years form now will be the 51st century. They will be still 3000 years behind.

If another 3000 years of the 7th century Islamic dark ages appeals to you, then good luck to to you and to planet Earth.

[CloneKai]

It was "the innocence of Muslims".

It's blocked, yes, but do you honestly think that everything is blocked? There are Saudi atheist forums out there. With technology these days it's impossible to block everything, unless you completely spurn the internet like the glorious DPRK has done. All I want to happen is the people who want to know more to get that information. Thanks to the internet it is happening.

for pakistan yes it is. saudis had money, they already had censorship programs established for these kind of things so they weren't that effected. they could just remove that video from their youtube, for pakistan entire youtube was and is blocked.
yes you can view youtube in pakistan as well, but it is difficult and quality goes down way too much and the buffering time and other websites gets knocked off too. my happy porn watching days almost ended. and i am one of those computer people who actually knows some serious stuffs about internet.

The problem is we lose alot. most people aren't that motivated to search for different ideas. imagine pr gives you a controversial video link. will you watch it, maybe. but what if it is 2 hours long, less chances you will watch it. now imagine you have to jump to different websites (like say a proxy site) and then access it. speed is slow quality is horrible. you see how much people will want to invest their time in a video that might be just useless.

so whether you like it or not the video "the innocence of Muslims" might have caused more damage than benefits. we lost great tool and what did you get, almost nothing. hell maybe even more bigotry against muslim.
 

[CloneKai]

CloneCai wrote:
By the way, 3000 years form now will be the 51st century. They will be still 3000 years behind.

If another 3000 years of the 7th century Islamic dark ages appeals to you, then good luck to to you and to planet Earth.

Hahahahaha

no i meant after the muslim kill everyone else.
and then they eventually progress. atleast the human species survived
better than your idea about making the entire planet uninhabitable.
:06:

[pr126]

CloneKai wrote

hell maybe even more bigotry against muslim.

If you want real bigotry then read the Quran. It is full of it.
 

[CloneKai]

CloneKai wroteIf you want real bigotry then read the Quran. It is full of it.
 

yeah i know it is.

i remember people saying that religions are used to control masses.
why can't the west to that with muslim world in a good way