How can you believe in hell without being a sadist?

Started by 1liesalot, October 17, 2015, 04:51:02 PM

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1liesalot

Listen to poxy Calvinists and their ilk and tell me they are not all sadists.

This quotation from an officially approved, 19th-century Catholic children's book (Tracts for Spiritual Reading, by Rev. J. Furniss, C.S.S.R.):


QuoteLook into this little prison. In the middle of it there is a boy, a young man. He is silent; despair is on him . . . His eyes are burning like two burning coals. Two long flames come out of his ears. His breathing is difficult. Sometimes he opens his mouth and breath of blazing fire rolls out of it. But listen! There is a sound just like that of a kettle boiling. Is it really a kettle which is boiling? No; then what is it? Hear what it is. The blood is boiling in the scalding veins of that boy. The brain is boiling and bubbling in his head. The marrow is boiling in his bones. Ask him why he is thus tormented. His answer is that when he was alive, his blood boiled to do very wicked things.

Mike Cl

I agree, all fundamentalists are sadists and clearly evil to the core.  This is what all organized religions result in.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

AllPurposeAtheist

It's metaphorical gibberish to scare you into believing that the big thing in the sky won't boil your blood if you only believe in it.  It's not sadistic so much as just plain stupid.
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Munch

Christians believe in a place where people who don't agree with their religion 100% will take them and burn those people for eternity in pain, while on the other hand believe in following an entity that has killed millions of people in the mythos and still calls himself good. Christians are the epitome of sadism.
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Cocoa Beware

I get the impression that most are either too intimidated or too brainwashed to question it.




aitm

Nobody got shit on Jonathon Edwards:
"The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect, over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked; his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venemous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince: and yet, it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment. It is to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last night; that you were suffered to wake again in this world, after you closed your eyes to sleep. And there is no other reason to be given, why you have not dropped into hell since you arose in the morning, but that God's hand has held you up. There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell."
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

jonb

Nobody would willingly buy into a hierarchical system where they are expected to put the one at the tops desires before their own needs, if they are also going to be at the bottom of that hierarchy.
So it is necessary to have others to be at the bottom.
Then because the one at the top does not listen to plaintives and administer justly there needs to be an explanation of ultimate comeuppance.
And then there is the observation that the more damaged by people a person is often the more they want to see others damaged.

Baruch

Christians on an emotional level don't follow Jesus, they follow Constantine, who boiled his second wife alive.

People love hierarchies if they think they will have a shot at the top ... this keeps the US hierarchy going, the lotto gives one the illusion that one has a shot.  The only thing that trickles down a human hierarchy is piss.  That and sudden wealth usually destroys a marriage ... or even an individual .. they can suddenly afford better drugs and blow.  Nobody wants to be an unemployed homeless person (Jesus), they want to be fabulously wealthy, powerful and famous (Constantine).
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

peacewithoutgod

Those who study biology find many unthinkable cruelties, and I suspect that most people who believe in hell (sic) believe it to be true without relishing it. However, the scenario presented here is beyond doubt the product of a particularly warped and sadistic mind, as can only be true of those who first created the idea of a burning lake of fire for "sinners" and "unbelievers". There probably isn't a conscious god or devil, but there is certainly much evil which motivates organized religion.
There are two types of ideas: fact and non-fact. Ideas which are not falsifiable are non-fact, therefore please don't insist your fantasies of supernatural beings are in any way factual.

Doctrine = not to be questioned = not to be proven = not fact. When you declare your doctrine fact, you lie.

Baruch

Quote from: peacewithoutgod on October 24, 2015, 10:52:22 AM
Those who study biology find many unthinkable cruelties, and I suspect that most people who believe in hell (sic) believe it to be true without relishing it. However, the scenario presented here is beyond doubt the product of a particularly warped and sadistic mind, as can only be true of those who first created the idea of a burning lake of fire for "sinners" and "unbelievers". There probably isn't a conscious god or devil, but there is certainly much evil which motivates organized religion.

Apocalypse literature came from Jews contemplating Ezekiel.  Creation literature came from Jews contemplating Genesis.  The first is pessimistic, the second is optimistic.  Both are Kabbalah ... and the Jewish movement that eventually became Gentile Christianity ... came from the second group.  A sinful world could be redeemed in the second, but only destroyed in the first.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: Baruch on October 24, 2015, 02:42:21 PM
Apocalypse literature came from Jews contemplating Ezekiel.  Creation literature came from Jews contemplating Genesis.  The first is pessimistic, the second is optimistic.  Both are Kabbalah ... and the Jewish movement that eventually became Gentile Christianity ... came from the second group.  A sinful world could be redeemed in the second, but only destroyed in the first.
Most Jewish writings were plagiarized from other cultures. But they were better at using them as propaganda.

Baruch

Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 25, 2015, 02:15:56 PM
Most Jewish writings were plagiarized from other cultures. But they were better at using them as propaganda.

Imitation isn't the issue here, but imitation is the highest compliment ;-)  The Book of Job is a very clear borrowing ... and supports the sadistic POV.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: Baruch on October 25, 2015, 03:35:12 PM
Imitation isn't the issue here, but imitation is the highest compliment...

You're doing a lousy job defending your own clan. It is well documented that Jew borrowed heavily from other cultures, and then tried to pass it as their own. Denial on that case is necessary since the claim of a chosen people is on the line.

Baruch

Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 25, 2015, 03:57:53 PM
You're doing a lousy job defending your own clan. It is well documented that Jew borrowed heavily from other cultures, and then tried to pass it as their own. Denial on that case is necessary since the claim of a chosen people is on the line.

Really?  Off topic ... and you don't want to get into my face on these kinds of things.  But I accept it as trolling ...
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

hrdlr110

Quote from: Cocoa Beware on October 17, 2015, 08:38:37 PM
I get the impression that most are either too intimidated or too brainwashed to question it.

This sums it up nicely! And the worst part is, by focusing on the afterlife,  they're missing out on the only guaranteed life they have, the one they were born with.
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