Studying Islamic beliefs is EVIL

[jonb]

Islam literally means submission to the One G-d.  While "One G-d" is an elevated but difficult theology ... I ask you ... how do you know your submission is genuine? 

What is your religion, please?


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Muhammad considered by Muslims to have been the last prophet sent by God to mankind.

Question is what religion are you?
Is your Muhammad- Wallace D. Fard Muhammad, that is putting you in a good light, or are you just a troll, having a laugh, because I have not seen any moderation in any of your posts, or a wish to spread the word.
Your words are not ringing true.

[Abdukadir Cadde]

Muhammad considered by Muslims to have been the last prophet sent by God to mankind.

Question is what religion are you?
Is your Muhammad- Wallace D. Fard Muhammad, that is putting you in a good light, or are you just a troll, having a laugh, because I have not seen any moderation in any of your posts, or a wish to spread the word.
Your words are not ringing true.

I don't think I understand what you mean.

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[jonb]

Quite.

[Baruch]

Islam literally means submission to the One G-d.  While "One G-d" is an elevated but difficult theology ... I ask you ... how do you know your submission is genuine? 

What is your religion, please?


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There is a difference between following a prophet, however revered ... and seeking G-d.  Muhammad in his time knew several monotheists who were not pagans, not rabbinic Jews and not Christians, and didn't compel them.  I am a monotheist, but I have used Arabic/Muslim words ... as a token of understanding ... and not of mockery.  The non-theists here can be hard skinned like a camel's knees ;-)

What is genuine?  Do you know your mother's face when you see her?  How can you tell her apart from all the other women?  That is how I know my seeking is genuine, because I am true to myself and my parents.  My mother still lives, her story isn't over ... so we travel life together until the end comes.  I am Jewish, not Zionist, not rabbinic.  My compassion is for all tribes, not just my own.

[pr126]

@ Baruch

What do you think of Quran 5:82?

[Baruch]

Glad you asked:

5:82 You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.

Taken from:

http://tanzil.net/#5:82

I really enjoy the recitation of Al-Afasy ;-)

So which Jews, Christians and Sabeans were referred to?  The Arabic Jews, Christians and Sabeans  who betrayed a tribal agreement in Yathrib?  And in what way would ethno-nationalism ... hardly unknown today in say the former Yugoslavia ... be valid or invalid?  Part of the "Not A True Scotsman" parable that you seem to have such difficulty with ;-)  But what of the whole art of hermeneutics, Jacques Derrida, proof-texting and Pardes (Jewish esoteric exegesis).  Not to even mention anthropology and psychology.  There is a whole world in a single word, a whole universe in a single verse ... which scholar can fathom that abyss?

[Mike Cl]

I don't think I understand what you mean.

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This is what I mean.  All organized religions are basically organized evil.  So, you, I see as a member of an evil organization.  The world would have been much better off if your god and your prophet had never existed. 

[josephpalazzo]

Surah 8:12

[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

[Hakurei Reimu]

Islam was revealed to all human being. You believe it or you go to hell. You don't believe me, right? I know you dont, you need to leave it alone. Why are you judging about what you literally don't understand?

Oh, we understand it all right. We understand it as bronze-age beliefs that has nothing to do with the world at all.

You people live like animals, not thinking at all. Acting like you were brought to the world to just eat and die just like Animals.

Why do you say we "live like animals?" We create art (something non-human animals don't do), we discuss things with our fellow humans to try to figure out what's true and what's not (another thing non-human animals don't do), we raise our children to treat each other with respect and kindness (again, something non-human animals don't do), and we hope to leave a legacy because we know this is the only verifiable life we get, so we try to make it a good one (once more, something non-human animals don't do).

So how do we "live like animals," again?

Tell me, how are you different from animals if you have no the mind to, at least,  recognize it's creator?

Believing that you recognize your creator is a different thing from actually recognizing your creator. You certainly do the former, but we absolutely dispute that you do the latter. Before you'll get anywhere with any claims of us "recognizing our creator," prove first that we have one in the way you're thinking.

If you don't believe, that is your problem. He never needs either of us; We need him.

Prove this.

He knows how to reward who believes him and also how to punish the disbelieves.

Why punish disbelievers? Wouldn't lack of belief be its own punishment if we truly need him?

[Baruch]

Surah 8:12

Such verses strengthened their battle fervor considerably .. as did similar verses from the Bible, which strengthened the Franj (French aka Crusaders).  Just to share the original:

http://tanzil.net/#8:12

[josephpalazzo]

Such verses strengthened their battle fervor considerably .. as did similar verses from the Bible, which strengthened the Franj (French aka Crusaders).  Just to share the original:

http://tanzil.net/#8:12

In the context of those years (circa 8th century) it might have had some sense, I'm guessing. In the 21st, that should produce some laughs, not suicide bombers.

[pr126]

Here we can study Islam. Short and to the point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LGzrYUGXdI

Radical Islam. Is there any other?
Is there a moderate Quran or a moderate sunna? I don't think so.

[Baruch]

In the context of those years (circa 8th century) it might have had some sense, I'm guessing. In the 21st, that should produce some laughs, not suicide bombers.

It depends on what you think history is (the events ... not the propaganda).  If you think synchronically ... then time differences are irrelevant.  I would suggest that people in traditional or hyper-traditional societies think synchronically.  To them Muhammad is still alive, not dead at all.  Many Christians think the same way.  On the other hand ... if you think diachronically ... then time is of the essence ... and you fall into three alternatives.  Either the situation is declining, the situation is static, or the situation is inclining.  If one is teleological/Aristotelian/progressive ... then one will imagine that that situation is inclining (manifest destiny of the good sort).  One might even imagine that one's civilization, religion, ethnicity, nationality is the advanced cadre of this inevitable improvement.  Marx and Hitler had equivalent metaphysics in outline.  A traditional person however, when thinking diachronically, would be reassured by the timelessness of their situation on the ground ... every year is just like every other.  So taking a pair of synchronic/diachronic POV ... one can metaphysically categorize people ... in ways more subtle than just pessimist/optimist.

I see ways of thinking as tools, I am not idolatrously bound to one particular tool or one particular view ... because that wouldn't work with my overall empiricism.  Dogma overshadowing empiricism would be Procrustean.

So no, I am not laughing at hyper-traditional movements trying to resist hyper-modern juggernauts.  If one understands ... then one can only cry ;-(

Pr126 ... there is a difference between knowledge and understanding.  And yes, ideologies of all kinds are ... dangerous.  And if there is an Islamic extremist on one's doorstep ... then probably one should concentrate on that one first.  Worrying about Polish guest workers taking all the blue collar jobs is so 1990s.

[pr126]

 

Worrying about Polish guest workers taking all the blue collar jobs is so 1990s.

What? Your last sentence is a non sequitur. There was no mention of polish guest workers anywhere in any thread.

[Baruch]

What? Your last sentence is a non sequitur. There was no mention of polish guest workers anywhere in any thread.

To ignore the context ... is to miss the whole point.  Immigration is a bigger question than just the recent Syrian diaspora ... and ultimately is the real issue, not a few terrorists in the mix.  It is certainly that way in the US, with our Latin American immigrants.  Controlling the focus of the discussion, is a "facts on the ground" that I decline to give to Hannibal.