The One You Haven't Heard About: The Trade In Services Agreement

Started by stromboli, September 25, 2015, 03:26:17 PM

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josephpalazzo

Quote from: jonb on October 06, 2015, 04:24:15 PM
So as you have not been able to justify your assertions, you are now editing my comments so you can answer propositions which have not been made. . . . sad.

I did not edited any of your comments; and I've made my position very clear. If you haven't understood it by now then maybe this conversion is way over your head.

Baruch

Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 06, 2015, 02:49:01 PM
Duh, in the first round, French President Hollande got less than 30% of the vote. From your POV, he is definitely not legitimate. You should learn Russian - Putin has an approval rate of 86%.

Thanks for mentioning it.  Four years of Russian in HS.

Yes, many people have a hard on for a real man like Putin ... especially after the second chili flavored vodka!  ЧÑ,о у вас есÑ,ÑŒ в вашем бумажнике?

Yes, we will all be better off, on average, after China and India F**K us all in the ass.  Law of large numbers.  So then, San Marino doesn't count for shit then?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

jonb

Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 06, 2015, 05:25:25 PM
I did not edited any of your comments; and I've made my position very clear. If you haven't understood it by now then maybe this conversion is way over your head.

That must be it then, I bow to you eminently superior intellect, now I understand why you could not be bothered to give me more than off the peg assertions with out any back up. Yes I am truly grateful that somebody so superior as you could even be bothered to litter this thread with the detritus of crumbs from your high table just for an unworthy worm like me.

kiss kiss mighty one.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: Baruch on October 06, 2015, 07:04:01 PM
Thanks for mentioning it.  Four years of Russian in HS.

Yes, many people have a hard on for a real man like Putin ... especially after the second chili flavored vodka!  ЧÑ,о у вас есÑ,ÑŒ в вашем бумажнике?

Yes, we will all be better off, on average, after China and India F**K us all in the ass.  Law of large numbers.  So then, San Marino doesn't count for shit then?


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Try Monaco. I hear the Casino is splendid.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: jonb on October 06, 2015, 07:44:54 PM
That must be it then, I bow to you eminently superior intellect, now I understand why you could not be bothered to give me more than off the peg assertions with out any back up. Yes I am truly grateful that somebody so superior as you could even be bothered to litter this thread with the detritus of crumbs from your high table just for an unworthy worm like me.

kiss kiss mighty one.

Stick around. You might learn a thing or two.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: SGOS on October 06, 2015, 07:28:38 AM
Debunking Economics: The Naked Emperor of the Social Sciences

I think I'll get this one.  Why?  Because the cost of Keen's books at Amazon are extraordinarily high (one book is a phenomenal $164), and I can buy a used copy of this one for eleven dollars.  But it's a place to start. 

I actually find economics a fascinating topic, although it reminds me a lot of philosophy and politics.  Basically, you either favor a certain brand, perhaps for some unexplainable reason or you don't for a similar reason.  Even less senseless than that, you may favor a brand because the party you affiliate with favors it.  Whether the brand accomplishes good or bad is secondary to how it titillates you.  It's like poor Republicans voting for Republicans when the end result is that they will only get poorer, or liberals voting for a Democrat who sides with corporate America.  And then as they watch the environment get trashed and the cost of prescription drugs soar into space, they satisfy their sense of loss by believing their vote at least went to a guy who had his heart in the right place.

Still, I like learning about economics.  I liked it in college, but I only took an introductory course.  Whether right or wrong, economics can be thought provoking, and it most certainly affects your life. 

One of the big problems with people studying economics is that they don't understand how science works. What does science have to do with economics? Everything. Science, as with economics, deals with models. For instance, in cosmology, every textbook will devote whole chapters to a de Sitter model, which has little to do with the real cosmos. But its simplicity allows to do calculations you wouldn't be able to do otherwise. From there to a model that approximate the real world is often just a few steps. Similarly in economics, whether you take a Keynesian model or a neoclassical or Austrian model, these allow to figure out certain things when certain conditions are in place. The wrong reaction by many people is that these models don't correspond to reality, therefore they are wrong or why bother studying them. That is the wrong approach. You need to study different models as no one single model fits all sizes.

Baruch

Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 07, 2015, 07:12:13 AM
Мой бумажник прекрасен

Try Monaco. I hear the Casino is splendid.

Well if you aren't Grace Kelley, then your wallet will soon be empty ;-)

So for you, economics is you apply capitalism and marxism, and then take the average of the two? ;-))

There is crime in economics, not science.  Economics is a branch of politics, which is the original criminal science.
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2015, 01:25:23 PM
Well if you aren't Grace Kelley, they your wallet will soon be empty ;-)

So for you, economics is you apply capitalism and marxism, and then take the average of the two? ;-))

There is crime in economics, not science.  Economics is a branch of politics, which is the original criminal science.

Politicians also use science to commit their crime. Let's not confuse the users with the tool being used.

Baruch

All humans are tools ... except for the elite, who are the only users/abusers.  Are you elite?  Then hang your head in shame.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2015, 07:19:43 PM
All humans are tools ... except for the elite, who are the only users/abusers.  Are you elite?  Then hang your head in shame.

We are all users and usees. (I believe I've just invented a new word)

jonb

Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 09, 2015, 09:18:43 AM
We are all users and usees. (I believe I've just invented a new word)

The users and the used, and even I may say their grandmas bow to your self evident and magnificent abilities!

Entomology would not a 'usee' be one that uses? Brilliant quite brilliant.

Baruch

Exactly, as long as the users and abusers speak German, and have well tailored military uniforms, then we are all good right?  End justifies means.  The ends being ... I get power, wealth and fame ... you get abasement, poverty and flame.  The Nazi mind-set isn't limited to a couple of decades, and not limited to Germans.  It is an archetype lurking in every human ... usually at war with their inner Stalin.

People who want to use other people as tools and fools ... I will be happy to reduce your Berlin or Tokyo to rubble.  Dr Mengele didn't have a good bed-side manner -(
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: Baruch on October 09, 2015, 07:39:33 PM
Exactly, as long as the users and abusers speak German, and have well tailored military uniforms, then we are all good right?  End justifies means.  The ends being ... I get power, wealth and fame ... you get abasement, poverty and flame.  The Nazi mind-set isn't limited to a couple of decades, and not limited to Germans.  It is an archetype lurking in every human ... usually at war with their inner Stalin.

People who want to use other people as tools and fools ... I will be happy to reduce your Berlin or Tokyo to rubble.  Dr Mengele didn't have a good bed-side manner -(

Users and abusers came along way before the Germans appeared on this planet. You lose (see, I didn't have to invoke Godwin's law).

Baruch

As a Jewish person, all Gentiles sometimes seem to act like Germans ... and sometimes they actually do.  While none of my relatives that I know suffered during WW II, let alone the Holocaust (and other ethnic groups have suffered ethnic cleansing too) ... I keep having nightmares of Nazis ... and not while I am asleep.

Some people believe in reincarnation or believe that dreams catch some kind of reality.  Based on a dream, I believe I could have been a German soldier during WW II.  That gives me a different perspective, believing that.  I am not horrified by it, but I have greater sympathy for villains.  But I keep my powder dry anyway.

Israelis though, for the record ... are a cross between Stalinist Jews (Labor) and Nazi Jews (Likud).  Their behavior shows their origins, more than any Kazar genetics ever would.  So I am not in that camp.  Though I do have some sympathy for Marxist villains too, not just Nazis.

It would take a thousand posts ... to explain how I think that politics is a cesspool of villainy ... should I post them?  Rhetorical question ;-)  Trade agreements are political.  They are part of the cesspool of villainy.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

SGOS

I often refer to Washington DC as our national seat of corruption.