The hijab in Egypt during '56

[PickelledEggs]

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX4RK8bj2W0&feature=youtu.be

They laughed at the thought of it! Some of the comments from the crowd were pretty funny too. At one point some guy yelled (about the guy that suggested to the man in the video which this speech is about ) "LET HIM WEAR IT!"

[Baruch]

Very interesting.  There were secular Muslims, but over the past 100 years they have been opposed and overthrown with Saudi help.  Nasser was a brutal dictator like Saddam, who really hated traditionalists who put religion ahead of politics ... also like Saddam.  The modern Islamic terrorism came about because of the imprisonment and death of one of his prisoners ... Qutb ... who was the inspiration for extremists in the Muslim Brotherhood (which existed since the 1920s) and for Al Qaida and ISIS.

[Shiranu]

All 4 of the Egyptians I know are extremely secular in regards to the government and dress like any other Westerner would, and are very strongly against groups like the Muslim Brotherhood. I have been quite impressed with their culture, at least what they are exporting over here. Politically minded and not afraid to speak their mind (especially on things they are actually educated on).

[Baruch]

They can thank the temporary English occupation of Egypt for that.  However most of the extreme terrorists in Egypt are recruited from the white collar class, not the fellahin.  The fellahin can be counted on however, to attack Coptic churches when encouraged to do so.

[baronvonrort]

All 4 of the Egyptians I know are extremely secular in regards to the government and dress like any other Westerner would, and are very strongly against groups like the Muslim Brotherhood.

The muslim brotherhood is outlawed as a terrorist group in many parts of the middle east.

The USA government tends to appease muslim brotherhood in the USA.

[drunkenshoe]

A close friend of mine started to travel to Iran in the last months for buesiness. She is a muslim, but she is one of those people you westerners think ooh she is secular. Drinks, get dressed in western fashion, lives pretty much in that tradition...usually gets around scantily clad like a group of muslim women we have.

She was very surprised when she saw women wearing head scarves very losely mostof their hair seen in Iran. Because seeing the muslims in Europe and in her country (Turkiye), also by AMerican propaganda we got since we are children she was conditioned to think that those women would be in tight black sheets and veils.

That video could be Turkiye's past not arrived yet. 

[Munch]

The problem with a country lead by a theocracy, is that it can become unstable with so much as a differing belief within the country. Look how many divisions of Christianity there are and how many wars have been fought between there own, even when they believe in the same god.

This is why the best standard is one without theists governing the growth of a country, because it can turn from a fairy tale to a nightmare in an instant. Sure some governments might be problematic at times, but who would you sooner have holding the nuke button, the one governed by people, or make-believe?

[Baruch]

Traditionally there are 8 levels in male dominated society (sorry ladies):
1. Royalty
2. Nobility
3. Military
4. Clergy
5. Merchants
6. Money-lenders
7. Craft guilds
8. Peasants (including urban peasants aka proletariat)

Usually it takes the top 7, as 10% of the population, to rip off the other 90% (the rural peasants and proletariat).  It is even better if the top 7 are limited to 1% of the population.  It is very unusual, in the Iranian revolution, that the top three levels were eliminated in favor of the 4th level ... usually people like King Henry II are able to rid themselves of troublesome priests.  It is almost Maoist, how the level 8 supported the level 4.  In the French Revolution, you initially had the Girondists ... levels 5, 6 and 7 take power.  But demagogues along with level 8 arranged a second revolution ... in hysteria against a possible counter revolution by levels 1 - 4 ... the Terror.  It was open season on churches and clergy, and the RCC has never recovered yet in France from that disaster.  But it took a level 3 (Napoleon) to restore order, and very cleverly re-establish levels 1 - 3.