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Started by SoldierofFortune, September 20, 2015, 06:22:05 AM

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SoldierofFortune

according to collins cobuild dictionary, the definition of atheist is ''a person who believes there is no god.''

i think this is wrong. atheism is the state of ''non-believing.''

the definition must be that atheist is ''a person who doesn't believe a god.''

drunkenshoe

Oxford Dictionary: "Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods." which is more correct in expression.

However, Collins Cobuild Dicitonary's definition is correct too. Because that is what 'a-theism' means. 'a' is negative prefix in front of theism. Which advocates that there is one god infleunced under monotheist religions or Abrahamic religions as we call it and suggests that with 'a' prefix you are 'against' it rather than having a neutral position. From this aspect, it is safe to say that the term 'atheist' is actually a theist term in its lingusitic roots.

"Non-believer" is the state of non believing in any thing that is based on a belief.
"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

Mike Cl

Personally, I object to the word 'believe'.  I don't think there is a god.  For me there is a difference between believing (not requiring anything resembling proof) and thinking (which implies the use of reason). 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Mermaid

from Greek:
a- means "without"
Theos- means "god"

From Latin-derived English:
-ist means "one who does"

That leaves it open for customization as a person sees fit.

A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

josephpalazzo

The fool has said in his heart,
“There is no God.”... ?   

Psalm 14:1


Termin

Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 20, 2015, 06:29:47 AM
Oxford Dictionary: "Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods." which is more correct in expression.

However, Collins Cobuild Dicitonary's definition is correct too. Because that is what 'a-theism' means. 'a' is negative prefix in front of theism. Which advocates that there is one god infleunced under monotheist religions or Abrahamic religions as we call it and suggests that with 'a' prefix you are 'against' it rather than having a neutral position. From this aspect, it is safe to say that the term 'atheist' is actually a theist term in its lingusitic roots.

"Non-believer" is the state of non believing in any thing that is based on a belief.

Prefix "A" means without or not.

The prefix "anti" means you are opposed to something, not the prefix "A"

They are entomological linked, however Atheism actually predates "Theism"
Termin 1:1

Evolution is probably the slowest biological process on planet earth, the only one that comes close is the understanding of it by creationists.

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Termin on September 20, 2015, 12:06:03 PM
Prefix "A" means without or not.

The prefix "anti" means you are opposed to something, not the prefix "A"

Yeah. I just defined it as 'negative'. But it always some sort irritates me because it is put before 'theos'.

QuoteThey are entomological linked, however Atheism actually predates "Theism"

That's interesting. I didn't know that. Do you have a source I can read?



"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

Termin

Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 20, 2015, 01:24:49 PM
Yeah. I just defined it as 'negative'. But it always some sort irritates me because it is put before 'theos'.

That's interesting. I didn't know that. Do you have a source I can read?

Nothing that compares the two, just the entomology of both

Athiest/atheism
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=atheist
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/atheism

Theist
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=theist&searchmode=none
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/theism?q=theist#theism__4
Termin 1:1

Evolution is probably the slowest biological process on planet earth, the only one that comes close is the understanding of it by creationists.

Draconic Aiur

This why you need to be skeptic along with an atheist

Termin

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 20, 2015, 03:31:43 PM
This why you need to be skeptic along with an atheist

I always thought of that  skepticism being the root "cause" of atheism.
Termin 1:1

Evolution is probably the slowest biological process on planet earth, the only one that comes close is the understanding of it by creationists.

CrucifyCindy

Quote from: Termin on September 20, 2015, 03:33:39 PM
I always thought of that  skepticism being the root "cause" of atheism.

Explain why Sam Harris believes that there is evidence for reincarnation then.
“Rational thought is a failed experiment and should be phased out.”
 William S. Burroughs

حسن اÙ,,صباح - Ù,,يس هناك Ù...ا هو صحيح ØŒ ÙƒÙ,, شيء Ù...سÙ...وح به

Mermaid

Quote from: Termin on September 20, 2015, 02:57:39 PM
Nothing that compares the two, just the entomology of both

I hate it when people do this, it's so rude and pedantic, but I have to! Entomology is the study of bugs. Etymology is the study of word origin.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Termin

Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 20, 2015, 03:53:48 PM
Explain why Sam Harris believes that there is evidence for reincarnation then.

  I can no more explain his views than I could explain yours.I'm not Sam Harris.

But I did find this
http://www.alternet.org/story/46196/sam_harris's_faith_in_eastern_spirituality_and_muslim_torture

and this

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/response-to-controversy#paranormal

I'm not a  fan of his so I had to look that up.

And being a skeptic just means you tend to doubt and question things, it doesn't mean you are always in doubt, you can form opinions or agree with the opinions of others.

Termin 1:1

Evolution is probably the slowest biological process on planet earth, the only one that comes close is the understanding of it by creationists.

SkyChief




Contrary to what many claim, atheism is not a belief system.  It is simply a person without gods.

Atheists who DO believe that gods dont exist are still atheists, but they share a belief based on faith which can neither be proven nor disproven, much like their theist counterparts.

And thats a cross they'll have to bear.  Pun intended.   :wink:

Even Richard Dawkins conceded that he is only 99% certain that gods don't exist. So, it implies he is 1% agnostic.
"A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be."    - Albert Einstein

Termin

Quote from: Mermaid on September 20, 2015, 03:57:24 PM
I hate it when people do this, it's so rude and pedantic, but I have to! Entomology is the study of bugs. Etymology is the study of word origin.

Sorry, my bad.

 
Termin 1:1

Evolution is probably the slowest biological process on planet earth, the only one that comes close is the understanding of it by creationists.