Texas teenager arrested after a homemade clock was mistaken for a bomb

[aitm]

“But now they are settled in Qatar, they have realized they are tremendously traumatized.”

or…..they looked around at where they are living and though…"how the fuck we gonna get outa this shit hole?" We need 15 million to escape.

[Munch]

so he turns out to be a little shit who got media attention and now milking it for all he can, or his parents are.

Well the world has its eric cartmans, just gonna wait for him to be forgotten.

[Sargon The Grape]

My thoughts on how people are reacting...

A. Yes, he is a douchebag... as is his family who are likely the one's really pulling the strings. You want to hate him for that, have at it.
B. No, it still doesn't justify how the school and cops reacted... no more than a douchebag getting randomly mugged and beaten by someone who never met them is justified just cause the guy was a douchebag.
C. On that photo: I don't think that necessarily proves he is traumatized or not. Do I think he is? Likely not, but it is still possible with his entire life being completely flipped over night (for worse or for better). However you can find pictures of veterans smiling and laughing and that does not prove them to be healthy anymore than this does.

Get off your damn high horse. The bomb squad was called to my school 10 years ago because someone left a note threatening to bomb it. No actual bomb was found. This kid got off easy considering how jumpy Americans are these days.

[Shiranu]

Get off your damn high horse. The bomb squad was called to my school 10 years ago because someone left a note threatening to bomb it. No actual bomb was found. This kid got off easy considering how jumpy Americans are these days.

Actually to address your picture; the fact that he is Muslim has nothing to do with it, it's my disdain for cops over-reacting that I have a problem with.

It looks jackall like a bomb because there is nothing to explode. It looks as much like a bomb as if I opened up a computer in the library. Might as well have the cops standing by for any and every science class because someone might possibly bring something remotely looking like a possible explosive, maybe.

No one is fucking crying over the cops being called, the issue is they detained him for awhile after no threat was discovered and the item in question was clearly not a bomb (hence the reason they didn't follow any procedures of an actual bomb threat). If they had at least even remotely acted like it was a possible bomb, then that's one thing. But they never seemed to think it was, so why should they detain someone who never made any threats and is not in possession of anything they think is remotely a bomb?

Jesus christ. If John Smith from Whiteville, Kentucky had the same thing happen I would be just as annoyed, because there is no fucking need for the cops to be involved over a teacher over-reacting, and there is no need to detain John Smith while following no procedures actually related to a suspected bomb.

It's the same bullshit of, "OH, this child ate a animal cracker and made it look like a gun! We gotta suspend him!" taken to the next level.

Maybe get off your damn high horse of assuming why anyone could be annoyed at the situation when you apparently don't have a clue. And yeah, you can go look back at basically every thread that cops are brought up to show my distaste for when they overstep their authority; are you going to start holding that over my head as well that I am some radical cop-hater apologist?

[Baruch]

Most people aren't trained in explosives, including most teachers.  Maybe only guys from the Hurt Locker should be teachers?

Either was a very bad idea, or a set up by the father.

And yes ... there is xenophobia, that takes many forms.  But I don't think it happened in this case.  Usually it is unarmed blacks or handicapped being offed by the cops.

[Shiranu]

Most people aren't trained in explosives, including most teachers.  Maybe only guys from the Hurt Locker should be teachers?

Either was a very bad idea, or a set up by the father.

And yes ... there is xenophobia, that takes many forms.  But I don't think it happened in this case.  Usually it is unarmed blacks or handicapped being offed by the cops.

See, I completely agree it was a bad idea. But apparently because I am a Muslim apologist that means jack shit that I said the kid was in the wrong as well and is most likely an asshole. All people can see is, "HUR DURRRR, Shirnur defendered the Mooslims!" while ignoring any point I make about how "they" were in the wrong... even though I said jackshit about Muslims here.

And yes, most people are untrained... including myself. The problem is the school followed NO bomb threat protocol, nor did the cops apparently ever take it as a serious bomb threat, so we cant sit around and say, "But, but... think of the poor people who were afraid it was a bomb!". No one ever fucking thought it was a bomb besides the one teacher who called the police... otherwise it wouldn't have been handled, moved, left in an office and people would have been evacuated... things that don't happen (and then do) when an ACTUAL BOMB THREAT is going on.

[FaithIsFilth]

He surely looks tremendously traumatized...

I don't think this argument should ever be used. I don't think it's ever been an acceptable argument on here. This is the Sandy Hook truther argument. Was James Foley really beheaded? His sister was on the news right after his beheading, laughing, smiling, and smirking. She couldn't keep the smirk off her face. Her behaviour seemed quite bizarre to me. Why would someone have trouble keeping a smirk off of their face when their brother was just beheaded? I don't know. There is no correct way to react when you lose a loved one. You can't just look at a smile and say that the person is obviously not experiencing any trauma. A smile is not enough. You need to know much more than that to really get to the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OFfv4Cw3_E


Ahmed shouldn't have brought the clock to school, and he should have followed the advice of the teacher that told him to keep it put away, but if it's true that they tried to get him to sign a confession under the threat of expulsion, they went too far with that imo. I don't really have much of an opinion on him and his family one way or the other, but hey, people sue for all types of things all the time. People sue after getting burned by hot coffee, and they sometimes win even though it's their own fault. His family can go ahead and sue for all I care.

[CloneKai]

http://news.yahoo.com/richard-dawkins-compares-clock-boy-180307575.html
What happened to Richard Dawkins

[mauricio]

I don't think this argument should ever be used. I don't think it's ever been an acceptable argument on here. This is the Sandy Hook truther argument. Was James Foley really beheaded? His sister was on the news right after his beheading, laughing, smiling, and smirking. She couldn't keep the smirk off her face. Her behaviour seemed quite bizarre to me. Why would someone have trouble keeping a smirk off of their face when their brother was just beheaded? I don't know. There is no correct way to react when you lose a loved one. You can't just look at a smile and say that the person is obviously not experiencing any trauma. A smile is not enough. You need to know much more than that to really get to the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OFfv4Cw3_E


Ahmed shouldn't have brought the clock to school, and he should have followed the advice of the teacher that told him to keep it put away, but if it's true that they tried to get him to sign a confession under the threat of expulsion, they went too far with that imo. I don't really have much of an opinion on him and his family one way or the other, but hey, people sue for all types of things all the time. People sue after getting burned by hot coffee, and they sometimes win even though it's their own fault. His family can go ahead and sue for all I care.

You are putting the argument on my mouth I simply showed a negative correlation between his emotional state shown in the media and the symptoms of trauma, which is not the same as claiming the logical necessity: suffers heavy trauma, therefore must not be posing happily in photos a few days later.  It just shows a lack of evidence that he may have suffered heavy trauma, which makes me incredulous.

Emotional and psychological symptoms of trauma:

    Shock, denial, or disbelief
    Anger, irritability, mood swings
    Guilt, shame, self-blame
    Feeling sad or hopeless

   

    Confusion, difficulty concentrating
    Anxiety and fear
    Withdrawing from others
    Feeling disconnected or numb

Physical symptoms of trauma:

    Insomnia or nightmares
    Being startled easily
    Racing heartbeat
    Aches and pains

   

    Fatigue
    Difficulty concentrating
    Edginess and agitation
    Muscle tension

These symptoms and feelings typically last from a few days to a few months, gradually fading as you process the trauma. But even when you’re feeling better, you may be troubled from time to time by painful memories or emotionsâ€"especially in response to triggers such as an anniversary of the event or an image, sound, or situation that reminds you of the traumatic experience.

[Baruch]

http://news.yahoo.com/richard-dawkins-compares-clock-boy-180307575.html
What happened to Richard Dawkins

Dawkins is clearly a shit head ... or misquoted ;-) ... but never a thing as Islamaphobia.

[mauricio]

Dawkins is clearly a shit head ... or misquoted ;-) ... but never a thing as Islamaphobia.

He was clearly refuting the fact that being a kid does not make you an angel, since kids are capable of great evil. And obviously his enemies gotta misinterpret him in the worst possible way. This has being going on for years.

[Baruch]

He was clearly refuting the fact that being a kid does not make you an angel, since kids are capable of great evil. And obviously his enemies gotta misinterpret him in the worst possible way. This has being going on for years.

Well then ... lets send all the kiddies to Guantanamo before they off us in our sleep ;-)  Just because the kid isn't an angel, isn't enough to compare him to Isis ... or are all Latin Americans the same as General Pinochet?  Didn't think so.

If those are his own words ... just saying ... then he gets to own them ... not because other folks have been picking on him.

[mauricio]

  Just because the kid isn't an angel, isn't enough to compare him to Isis ...

That's the thing, he didn't. He just showed an example of an evil kid to refute the "it's just a kid" argument. He never said that clock kid was equivalent to a child soldier and he even made that explicit in his later tweet.

[Baruch]

Then he needs to pick a real kid who is really evil ... and not mix the stupid in with the evil.  I would be like comparing someone who bet on a football game with the TBTF bankers who destroyed trillions of dollars of paper value.

[mauricio]

Then he needs to pick a real kid who is really evil ... and not mix the stupid in with the evil.  I would be like comparing someone who bet on a football game with the TBTF bankers who destroyed trillions of dollars of paper value.

what? Like I said he is not comparing anything hes just doing this:

A claims all men are mortal
B presents an immortal man, therefore A argument is not valid.

He presented an evil kid to demonstrate the "it's just a kid" is not a valid argument, that's it. Basically age is meaningless to his argument, which is what the idiot tried to use to attack him:

You're a 74-year-old picking on a kid. You've completely squandered the good you could've done as an ambassador for science.