Texas teenager arrested after a homemade clock was mistaken for a bomb

[aitm]

You're wasting time Joe, long before the facts have been made up the facts have been known, people have decided. Let's all wait for the dust to clear before we see if the hanged man is dead or not eh?

[aitm]

So supposedly Ben Carson said he made a million bucks in the 24 hours after he said that muslims should not be president. This addressees the base fear of people. We (atheists) have long known that fear is the driving force in religion, we cannot fight fear with rationalism, sometimes it cannot be fought with education. Fear is something that THEY must overcome.

Many of you think that people should simply "stop" having prejudices or even uncomfortable thoughts if they interfere with what you believe is rational. You already know that this is most likely not going to happen. When only two months ago muslims tried to attack an event only a few miles away you think that people would actually be able to ignore this when faced with even a remote possibility.

I walk my grandkid across the street when a person is biking down the sidewalk, it has nothing to do with the person or the bike but with the odds that in a given space things will collide. It is not rational perhaps but it is reaction.

IF, according to some sources, the family refused to talk to the school or the authorities in favor of talking to the press, then yes, I would like to know why would they NOT want to talk to the source?

[josephpalazzo]

IF, according to some sources, the family refused to talk to the school or the authorities in favor of talking to the press, then yes, I would like to know why would they NOT want to talk to the source?

What I read so far is that the parents have refused to meet with city officials and refused to released records exonerating police conduct, I don't know about their refusal to meet with the school but it would be in character with the refusals I've just mentioned. The other hard question is: what are the evidence on which the father based his accusation that his son was arrested because he was Muslim? Did he look at all the facts that took place that day in school? I can understand he was upset, any parent would, but was his rant necessary, especially that he doesn't seem to have all the facts at hand, or he does know but refuses to release the report as it would negate the justification of his outrage.

[pr126]

There is more...

‘Man, I Went Viral’: My Day With Ahmed Mohamed, the Most Famous Boy on Earth

Ahmed's sister:

After the MSNBC segment, Eyman and I sit down in the hallway where she says the same thing happened to her as Ahmed.

“I got suspended from school for three days from this stupid same district, from this girl saying I wanted to blow up the school, something I had nothing to do with.”

Eyman talks with the slightest lisp, almost imperceptible, but it becomes stronger as she gets emotional.

“I got suspended and I didn’t do anything about it and so when I heard about Ahmed, I was so mad because it happened to me and I didn’t get to stand up, so I’m making sure he’s standing up because it’s not right. So I’m not jealous, I’m kinda likeâ€"it’s like he’s standing for me.”

Eyman said her suspension was in her first year of middle school, “my first year of attempting middle school in America. I knew English, but the culture was different, the people were different.”

Eyman said her suspension was in her first year of middle school, “my first year of attempting middle school in America. I knew English, but the culture was different, the people were different.”

This part of Texas is a hotbed of Islamophobia. Irving Mayor Beth Van Duyne in March claimed Muslim clergy were “bypassing American courts” by offering to mediate disputes between worshippers according to Islamic law. Residents of Farmersville last month fought against creation of a Muslim cemetery in their town. Garland was the site of a “draw Muhammad” contest hosted by anti-Islam activist Pamela Geller that was subsequently attacked by two gunmen inspired by ISIS.

Irving Mayor Beth Van Duyne is clearly an islamophobe. How dare she oppose Islamic (sharia) law?

[drunkenshoe]

Jospeh, you have said "But other facts came out, and the situation is no longer that clear." in your post. This gives the impression that some facts came out proving that something happened before the incident or that somehow this was planned. Or anything of that sort that would change what really happened. You are reporting like Fox news.

You are not telling anything we don't know. These are not some facts proving that Ahmed or his father did anything wrong. We know them and they are clear, the incident is clear until they can prove that something was at play before all this. And even in that situation a 14 year old is not responsible. 

Fact: engineering teacher told the kid not to show it to other class, and kid ignored that warning.

Really? Did the teacher tell the kid that he could have been arrested and got into serious trouble for showing his clock? And a 14 year old didn't listen his teacher for showing off? What a surprise.

And this is a fact that works pretty much against you and every other person who is still whining about it.

The teacher didn't take the clock from him, he knew it was perfectly harmless and guess what highly likely he examined it and look in to it. A 14 year old nerd kid would show off something he made to everyone AND this is not some fact against him in this case.

Fact: kid brought the thing to several classes. It was an English teacher who was concerned and reported it to the school administration. That's her job.

Again, he would show it to other classes. This doesn't change anything. Yeah she did it because the kid is a muslim kid. That's the point. I am curious if she even asked the engineering teacher about it.

Fact: the clock was not a class assignment,  and therefore bringing it along, with the fact that it can be taken as an explosive device by the uninformed it could cause suspicion, and the kid knew about that way before bringing the thing into school.

That's not a fact Joseph. You have just madeit out of your ass.

No, a 14 year old kid wouldn't understand the grave danger of a xenophobic society. He cannot get it EVEN you wold say to him. He made something and wanted to show off. You are thinking like an adult. 

Fact: kid was unresponsive when interrogated by the police as to his motivation of why he brought the thing to school.

Again. Wrong. He wasn't unresponsive. He said why he did it, but cops weren't satisfied with the answer and they already said that "he couldn't give a 'broader answer' than making a clock to impress his science teacher". Trying to impress a science teacher is a pretty good motivation for a 14 year old nerd.

On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with a 14 year old kid staying unresponsive under those circumstances, he WOULD be unresponsive if cops handcuff him and pu him in an interrogation room. But according to the cops he wasn't. Adults gave this reaction.

Granted as young as he is, he might have not been savvy in his response, but you can't blame the cops for the arrest. They really had little choice at this point. Under Texan law, even a hoax bomb gets you in the slammer.

I do blame those cops morons for his arrest becaus ethey are guilty AND THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB PROPERLY.

The thing is he DIDN'T HAVE A HOAX BOMB. His engineering teacher has already seen it. An authority figure didn't take it from him.

Fact: Father calls a press conference, that his son was arrested because he is a Muslim, when he has not a shred of any evidence for his claim. What follows is sensationalism at its best.

His son was arrested because he is a muslim. Every parent who found that that their 14 year old kid was handcuffed, arrested and recorded as suspicious of something as serious as terrorist activity would do everything in their power to get their kid out in that position, if possible save his future.

Ahmed's father is a politician and he has the power of doing more than another one. He has resources, connection and he used them. There is NOTHING wrong or weird with it.

This is not some fact against him.

You need to do better than that.  Read Left and Right from the US, not from Jerusalem or any other place.

And I have. I have just seen it FIRST there.

Joseph, you and a group of other people bending side ways, backwards, twisting this and that way to find some way to blame the family and the kid; making up 'facts' from natural reactions of a 14 year old kid and a father trying to protect his son AND make something out of this, and I need to do better? PFFFFFFT

This is the point you arrived. And instead of recognising how fucked up it is, you choose to burry your hand in the sand and get back with 'father made it as a media sensation'. It's a fcuking spade. The kid got arrested because he is a muslim.

And exactly like Cindy says, you are trolling a 14 year old.

[Shiranu]

Irving Mayor Beth Van Duyne is clearly an islamophobe. How dare she oppose Islamic (sharia) law?

Well, considering it was less than a non-issue in Texas and no Muslim with even an iota of power inside the Islamic community was proposing it... yeah, it looks kinda goofy to wage war against it.

[josephpalazzo]

Jospeh, you have said "But other facts came out, and the situation is no longer that clear." in your post. This gives the impression that some facts came out proving that something happened before the incident or that somehow this was planned. Or anything of that sort that would change what really happened. You are reporting like Fox news.

You are not telling anything we don't know. These are not some facts proving that Ahmed or his father did anything wrong. We know them and they are clear, the incident is clear until they can prove that something was at play before all this. And even in that situation a 14 year old is not responsible. 

I'm not trying to prove that they did anything wrong. The issue at hand is what the father has claimed: that his son was arrested BECAUSE he is a Muslim. There is no proof in the events that took place that day. The kid took to school what could be taken as a bomb. A teacher reported it. The kid was arrested on suspicion of having a hoax bomb. When that was cleared, it was just a stupid clock, he was released. Case closed. The whole Muslim thing is just a pure fabrication.

Now had they arrested him BECAUSE HE IS A MUSLIM, then even after they found out that it was just a stupid clock, they would have continue to detain, since he is still a Muslim. And he would be right now in prison, since he is still a Muslim. Get it!!! And he better watch out, since he is still a Muslim, he will get arrested over and over until he is no longer a Muslim... duh...

[pr126]

Well, considering it was less than a non-issue in Texas and no Muslim with even an iota of power inside the Islamic community was proposing it... yeah, it looks kinda goofy to wage war against it.

Muslims are ANGRY at Texas Mayor After She Stops “Sharia Court”… Here Is Her EPIC Response!

In a very close 5-4 vote, the city of Irving ruled to back the Texas state bill banning foreign law from the state. The bill doesn’t mention Sharia or any religion, but it’s a huge defeat for Sharia supporters, as such courts are in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

[josephpalazzo]

Muslims are ANGRY at Texas Mayor After She Stops “Sharia Court”… Here Is Her EPIC Response!

Don't show that to the die-hard apologists - predictably, they are in denial.

[drunkenshoe]

I'm not trying to prove that they did anything wrong. The issue at hand is what the father has claimed: that his son was arrested BECAUSE he is a Muslim. There is no proof in the events that took place that day. The kid took to school what could be taken as a bomb. A teacher reported it. The kid was arrested on suspicion of having a hoax bomb. When that was cleared, it was just a stupid clock, he was released. Case closed. The whole Muslim thing is just a pure fabrication.

Now had they arrested him BECAUSE HE IS A MUSLIM, then even after they found out that it was just a stupid clock, they would have continue to detain, since he is still a Muslim. And he would be right now in prison, since he is still a Muslim. Get it!!! And he better watch out, since he is still a Muslim, he will get arrested over and over until he is no longer a Muslim... duh...

Please make little sense. No, they wouldn't have continued to detain him. Why would they detain a 14 year old kid when it is obvious that he is innocent and it was nothing. This should be the point you get it, not me. They let him go because it was an obvious screw up. They arrested him because he is a muslim in the first place.

The knee jerk reaction and clumsy fucked up position is belonged to the cops. They screwed up bad and it got huge.

You are bending backwards and forwards trying so hard NOT to see this as what it is, you started this conversation with how suspicious that the father 'being familiar dealing with the media' as a politician no less and then one by one you kept trying to paint everything as you'd like to see them. Surprise, it doesn't happen that way.

On the other hand, if the kid was a son of a well known christian and got in to some stupid trouble and ended the father trying to use anything in her power wouldn't even take attention.

If they have waited 6 month, people would go "why now and not then? Oh see now they are trying to get something out of it."

If the kids was a white christian kid, everyone wuold go "oh what did we become?!"

But now, doesn't matter who wants to paint it what way, this BOTHERS everyone. And the rest will come. Those cops did a very stupid thing when every thing was obvious and the reason is that the kid, is a muslim kid.

[drunkenshoe]

Don't show that to the die-hard apologists - predictably, they are in denial.

Denial? EXACTLY like Shiranu said, they have no power. So what pr did was just to prove his point. Being angry doesn't give anyone a sharia law power in USA.

But then this post of yours explains a lot about your way of seeing the Islamic minority in the US. You cannot be taken seriously at all.

[pr126]

Most posters here have no clue what sharia is.
It can be found out, it is on the Internet, but why bother?

[josephpalazzo]

Please make little sense. No, they wouldn't have continued to detain him. Why would they detain a 14 year old kid when it is obvious that he is innocent and it was nothing. This should be the point you get it, not me. They let him go because it was an obvious screw up. They arrested him because he is a muslim in the first place.

The knee jerk reaction and clumsy fucked up position is belonged to the cops. They screwed up bad and it got huge.

You are bending backwards and forwards trying so hard NOT to see this as what it is, you started this conversation with how suspicious that the father 'being familiar dealing with the media' as a politician no less and then one by one you kept trying to paint everything as you'd like to see them. Surprise, it doesn't happen that way.

On the other hand, if the kid was a son of a well known christian and got in to some stupid trouble and ended the father trying to use anything in her power wouldn't even take attention.

If they have waited 6 month, people would go "why now and not then? Oh see now they are trying to get something out of it."

If the kids was a white christian kid, everyone wuold go "oh what did we become?!"

But now, doesn't matter who wants to paint it what way, this BOTHERS everyone. And the rest will come. Those cops did a very stupid thing when every thing was obvious and the reason is that the kid, is a muslim kid.

You're entitled to your opinion. And I'm entitled to disagree: none of the facts support your claim.

[josephpalazzo]

Denial? EXACTLY like Shiranu said, they have no power. So what pr did was just to prove his point. Being angry doesn't give anyone a sharia law power in USA.

But then this post of yours explains a lot about your way of seeing the Islamic minority in the US. You cannot be taken seriously at all.

They have no power that doesn't mean they are not trying to get more power. It's a fact that many Muslims are trying in whatever way to get their Sharia law accepted in western countries. Sorry, but that has to be stopped at every corner where people are trying this.

[drunkenshoe]

They have no power that doesn't mean they are not trying to get more power. It's a fact that many Muslims are trying in whatever way to get their Sharia law accepted in western countries. Sorry, but that has to be stopped at every corner where people are trying this.

Yeah. Sure. And the same goes for the United States of America and its policies. They have been trying to do that longer than Islamist extremists everywhere around the world. More power, more resource, more more more everything; invade, destory; kill and make that an industry and a job for your citizens.

Sorry, but that has to be stopped too. USA policies have fucked the world up for its own benefit and profit for a long time. Turns out you can't just do that and walk away and not expect nothing to happen, eh? I know that 239 years feel so long and established to you, but it is a little amount of time in history out of the USA time scale. And sooner or later it is going to happen. And it won't happen by any wars or even military conflict.

'America' will be a completely different country in the near future and people like you living then, will whine like the white Christians do right now.

But your 'Ä°slam is coming to get USA' paranoia is amusing.