Texas teenager arrested after a homemade clock was mistaken for a bomb

[aitm]

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[pr126]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

[josephpalazzo]

OK, then let me learn those other facts too? I am asking an honest question. What are those facts that proves this is not what it looks?

Fact: engineering teacher told the kid not to show it to other class, and kid ignored that warning.

Fact: kid brought the thing to several classes. It was an English teacher who was concerned and reported it to the school administration. That's her job.

Fact: the clock was not a class assignment,  and therefore bringing it along, with the fact that it can be taken as an explosive device by the uninformed it could cause suspicion, and the kid knew about that way before bringing the thing into school.

Fact: kid was unresponsive when interrogated by the police as to his motivation of why he brought the thing to school. Granted as young as he is, he might have not been savvy in his response, but you can't blame the cops for the arrest. They really had little choice at this point. Under Texan law, even a hoax bomb gets you in the slammer.

Fact: Father calls a press conference, that his son was arrested because he is a Muslim, when he has not a shred of any evidence for his claim. What follows is sensationalism at its best.

Joseph, I have seen the news in the Jerusalam Post first. You don't get more right and religious and against islam than that. And then I googled it and posted here.

You need to do better than that.  Read Left and Right from the US, not from Jerusalem or any other place.

[CrucifyCindy]

How wonderful. Adults trolling a 14 year old kid. You must be proud of yourselves.

[josephpalazzo]

How wonderful. Adults trolling a 14 year old kid. You must be proud of yourselves.

Why don't you give that sound advice to the father who sensationalized the incident for his own personal gain.

[Shiranu]

Why don't you give that sound advice to the father who sensationalized the incident for his own personal gain.

Yes, let's blame the guy who brought up an important issue, rather than the people who didn't do their fucking job properly!

It looks jack-all like a bomb. If you think it looks like a bomb, that is your ignorance... not the kid's fault. Might as well start arresting kids who bite their cookie and make it look like a gun (wait...) or calling the police for someone carrying a piece of pvp in workshop. And apparently no one actually thought it was a bomb since there was no measures taken; no evacuations, no bomb squads, leaving the "bomb" unattended, etc. etc..

-No one claimed it was a bomb or made a threat.
-No one apparently ever thought it really was a bomb, hence the reaction.
-The object in question doesn't look remotely like a bomb.

So how is getting the police involved at all somehow a logical point to be at, where he would even be put in a situation to be arrested. At the very least, this shows terrible judgment on the part of the teachers. But it's the knee-jerk (and yes, that is what you people are doing... thanks for the projection) reaction of, "Oh my god! He MUST be lying because it made the news! It's a conspiracy!" that is the most pathetic.

You people are quoting fucking Glenn Beck's program, you are slandering a person you have never met and accusing them of being "radical Islamic Sharia-ists!" when in truth they were proponents of human rights and secularization (all to fit your little agenda) and trying to deflect the blame over and over to, "Oh my god, was it REALLLLLY a clock HE MADE THOUGH? THAT CHANGES EVERYYYTHING!!!"...

And when you get called on it, do you apologise? Do you admit your sources are AT BEST extremely dubious (akin to quoting FOX News as truth about Christianity's oppression in the states)? Do you admit that you are misleading by saying, "Muslims just started protesting!" when it's been pointed out that has been going on for awhile now? No, just more deflections and rather personal insults and closing your ears and saying, "Lalala, everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot!"

I'm sorry, but the only "knee jerk reaction" bullshit is the people who refuse to accept that a cigar is sometimes just a cigar... that a state that the forum continually lambastes for being bigoted suddenly could never be bigoted and it's just a misunderstanding that the minority guy had coming... in a city that has just recently passed laws against the "Radical Sharia Muslims" that don't fucking exist in their community... that we have to scramble to find the most dubious and misleading sources because, "OH MY GOD, GOTTA PROVE IT'S A MEDIA CONSPIRACY TO MAKE AN ISSUE OUT OF A NON-ISSUE!"...

Btw aitm, still waiting for you to tell me which parts of my post were drivel and false. I have shown you the courtesy of doing so for yours, so if you could just point out which parts were incorrect, or get so toxic with your pals because how dare they lie! Danke.

[josephpalazzo]

-No one apparently ever thought it really was a bomb, hence the reaction.

The English teacher thought otherwise and was alarmed enough to bring it up to the principal. She was there. You weren't. After that, the principal and the police followed standard procedure. You have no case.

[Shiranu]

The English teacher thought otherwise and was alarmed enough to bring it up to the principal. She was there. You weren't. After that, the principal and the police followed standard procedure. You have no case.

http://safety.gsu.edu/emergency-management/hazards-threats/bomb-threat/
http://www.popcenter.org/problems/bomb_threats/PDFs/planCanada.pdf
https://www.diversifiedriskmanagement.com/articles/bomb-threats/

Would you like me to go on?

They didn't follow anything remotely resembling procedure for a bomb threat?

-Don't touch the bomb... oops.
-Get people away from the immediate vicinity of the bomb... oops.
-Do anything that even remotely looks like you are at all concerned about the potential bomb... oops...

Tell me, in what country do you live where, in time of bomb threat, the procedure is to pick up the bomb and carry it to an unattended office? I am quite curious, because here in America it is pretty common knowledge that you don't fucking touch a potential bomb.

So again...

-No threat.
-Nothing that looks remotely like a bomb.
-Handling of the "potential bomb".

Yeah, tell me more how everything went to procedure and fit like a glove. Are you even reading the shit you post?

[josephpalazzo]

They didn't follow anything remotely resembling procedure for a bomb threat?

No, but they did think it could be a hoax, and under the law that is still punishable. ( See: http://penalcode.austintexascriminaldefense.com/46.08.html). When they realized it might not even be a hoax, they released the kid. It should have been the end of that story. The guy that turned this unfortunate incident into a sensation is the father. No one else. 

[Shiranu]

No, but they did think it could be a hoax, and under the law that is still punishable. ( See: http://penalcode.austintexascriminaldefense.com/46.08.html). When they realized it might not even be a hoax, they released the kid. It should have been the end of that story. The guy that turned this unfortunate incident into a sensation is the father. No one else. 

Nice moving goalposts.

For a hoax, it is the same procedure. And the moment you see a potential bomb you DO NOT TOUCH IT.

No one FUCKING CARES who turned it into a sensation. The fact that you are so fixating on that is silly... the fact of the matter is this was handled extremely poorly at best, and showed the bigotry inherent in our culture at worse. God forbid people point potential bigotry out in a case that reeks of it, what an asshole!

[josephpalazzo]

Nice moving goalposts.

For a hoax, it is the same procedure.

No, it's not.

The only thing I'm fixated are the facts. And so it seems you are totally ignorant of them, here they are one more time:

Fact: engineering teacher told the kid not to show it to other class, and kid ignored that warning.

Fact: kid brought the thing to several classes. It was an English teacher who was concerned and reported it to the school administration. That's her job.

Fact: the clock was not a class assignment,  and therefore bringing it along, with the fact that it can be taken as an explosive device by the uninformed it could cause suspicion, and the kid knew about that way before bringing the thing into school.

Fact: kid was unresponsive when interrogated by the police as to his motivation of why he brought the thing to school. Granted as young as he is, he might have not been savvy in his response, but you can't blame the cops for the arrest. They really had little choice at this point. Under Texan law, even a hoax bomb gets you in the slammer.

Fact: Father calls a press conference, that his son was arrested because he is a Muslim, when he has not a shred of any evidence for his claim. What follows is sensationalism at its best.

Now, if you can contradict those facts, I will listen. I will not listen to your rant, which is totally baseless so far. Deal with the facts.

[CrucifyCindy]

No, it's not.

The only thing I'm fixated are the facts. And so it seems you are totally ignorant of them, here they are one more time:

Fact: engineering teacher told the kid not to show it to other class, and kid ignored that warning.

Fact: kid brought the thing to several classes. It was an English teacher who was concerned and reported it to the school administration. That's her job.

Fact: the clock was not a class assignment,  and therefore bringing it along, with the fact that it can be taken as an explosive device by the uninformed it could cause suspicion, and the kid knew about that way before bringing the thing into school.

Fact: kid was unresponsive when interrogated by the police as to his motivation of why he brought the thing to school. Granted as young as he is, he might have not been savvy in his response, but you can't blame the cops for the arrest. They really had little choice at this point. Under Texan law, even a hoax bomb gets you in the slammer.

Fact: Father calls a press conference, that his son was arrested because he is a Muslim, when he has not a shred of any evidence for his claim. What follows is sensationalism at its best.

Now, if you can contradict those facts, I will listen. I will not listen to your rant, which is totally baseless so far. Deal with the facts.

And where did you get all this information? And you better not say Mark Cuban.

[josephpalazzo]

And where did you get all this information? And you better not say Mark Cuban.

Google it.

[Shiranu]

The only thing I'm fixated are the facts.

Deal with the facts.

Hmmm...

He is also known as a Sharia Law activist.

No sooner was his son arrested, the mayor of the town was attacked by the Muslim community not because of the school incident but because the mayor had moved against the implementation of Sharia Law in early spring.

Repeated lie number one, citing third hand evidence as solid evidence...

I wouldn't go solely on Cuban's account, but as I mentioned in my post above (#100), you need to look at his family, in particular his father, Mohamed El-Hassan Mohamed, who ran twice for the presidency in Sudan, a politician who was also involved in a mock trial against Terry Jones, and also known as a Sharia Law activist.

Repeating lie #2...

There is also the fact that no sooner was the kid arrested, the mayor of the town was attacked by the Muslim community not because of the school incident but because the mayor had moved against the implementation of Sharia Law.

Admitting you don't know if the evidence is true or not, yet holding it as the golden standard to how we should view the case...

I'm not saying that the guy has evil intentions. I don't know him. I don't know Mark Cuban either. Is he lying? I don't know. Is he telling the truth? I don't know.

Taking third-hand evidence as the golden standard on how to view the case again...

Please see pr's video reply#133, in which it is said that the boy went from class to class, which is what Mark Cuban also said, even that the engineering teacher had warned the boy not to show to anyone else, and the boy ignored that warning.

Assumption on the motive of the cops with zero evidence and even admit "allegedly"...

the police showed up, and he was allegedly uncooperative...

You admit you don't know what happen, yet say with such conviction it was all a hoax.

By acting with a knee-jerk reaction and giving the appearance of an opportunist, the father's action is a setback to the Muslim community as this incident-turned-fiasco will be used in the future as an example of the community screaming "wolf" when there was nothing, and any legitimate outcry from that community will be quickly dismissed.

This lie...

After that, the principal and the police followed standard procedure.

Look, at least just admit its your fucking opinion... but don't come in here acting like you are some saint of intelligence and your position is purely based on fact with not an iota of opinion to effect it. If you gave half a shit about the truth, you would be far more busy picking apart aitm and PR for blatant lies they posted... blatant lies that you then nodded your head and said, "Yup, yup! This here proves my point!".

You don't give a shit about the truth, you just want to find an excuse for having your opinion. Just have the balls to say it, at least aitm and PR don't try to hide their intentions behind this pompous wall of bullshit.

[josephpalazzo]

you just want to find an excuse for having your opinion.

Yes I have an opinion, but it's based on facts,  the facts that I gave you, but since you are still ignorant of those, I will repeat them.

Fact: engineering teacher told the kid not to show it to other class, and kid ignored that warning.

Fact: kid brought the thing to several classes. It was an English teacher who was concerned and reported it to the school administration. That's her job.

Fact: the clock was not a class assignment,  and therefore bringing it along, with the fact that it can be taken as an explosive device by the uninformed it could cause suspicion, and the kid knew about that way before bringing the thing into school.

Fact: kid was unresponsive when interrogated by the police as to his motivation of why he brought the thing to school. Granted as young as he is, he might have not been savvy in his response, but you can't blame the cops for the arrest. They really had little choice at this point. Under Texan law, even a hoax bomb gets you in the slammer.

Fact: Father calls a press conference, that his son was arrested because he is a Muslim, when he has not a shred of any evidence for his claim. What follows is sensationalism at its best.