Is the word "Islamophobia" an apologist's charter?

[peacewithoutgod]

But lawyers and judges aren't even worth pissing on ... the SCOTUS in particular!

They are worth removing, for the interest of preserving justice.

[peacewithoutgod]

Pot meet kettle.

Cindy, reread what you just quoted - especially that part "founded on the philosophy of intolerance". In which part of Western philosophy do you find "intolerance"? Yes, that bit was followed by a conjunction with "expansionism", which is also Western philosophy, and since I was addressing Islam not only as a culture but a religion, both the Western religion and Islam are philosophically expansionist.

What is your religion, Cindy? If you are Christian, then you can shut the fuck up now! I have no religion, being an atheist - atheism doesn't even entail a specific philosophy, although mine is that I am willing to let others be if they will not menace others for being different and will not raise their children under oppressive conditions.

"Pot meet Kettle"? You are by far the snarkiest little hypocrite who I've seen on this site!

[AllPurposeAtheist]

I'm a DonaldTrumpaphobe.

[Youssuf Ramadan]

Just another buzzword.  Another will be along soon.....

[Baruch]

I'm a DonaldTrumpaphobe.

There is a Ten Step Group just for you ... in a few short weeks of brainwashing, you will even be willing to support Rick Perry for President ;-)

[CrucifyCindy]

In which part of Western philosophy do you find "intolerance"?

You have to be kidding me. Seriously?

You are by far the snarkiest little hypocrite who I've seen on this site!

Thank you! I take pride in my snark.

By the way are you going to answer Shiranu's question or not?

[peacewithoutgod]

Out of sheer curiosity, how many Muslims do you actually know? Like, talk to them, get to know them, know... Not, "oh, I saw them walking around town once.".

Shiranu,

How many Muslims have you directly addressed on their religious beliefs? When challenged, do they or do they not become defensive, every bit as badly any Christian fundamentalist? Do you live in a culture which is primarily Christian, or primarily Islamic? I know many Christians who aren't really sheep with fangs when others question their ideas, and I've no doubt there are Muslims who are no different. I am at least as Christophobic as I am Islamophobic, and I owe nobody an apology for that. I dislike the ideas behind both religions, and to be honest I'm not quite certain which is the most cruel to it's believers, but I am specifically concerned with the doctrinary philosophy of Islam, and how the Quran feeds these doctrines which justify murder, rape, and genocide. More so even than the doctrines taught in mainstream American churches because they are quite largely still taught today by Islamic leaders.

[peacewithoutgod]

You have to be kidding me. Seriously?

Thank you! I take pride in my snark.

By the way are you going to answer Shiranu's question or not?

Still waiting for you to answer the question on whether you are a theist, or just fucking with everybody.

So Cindy, are or are you not a theist?

If so, then which god are you a theist for?

[CrucifyCindy]

Still waiting for you to answer the question on whether you are a theist, or just fucking with everybody.

I have answered that question. Yes I am a theist and yes I am fucking with everybody.

So Cindy, are or are you not a theist?

Yes!

If so, then which god are you a theist for?

Well being that I am a polytheist I would have to say...all of them including my personal favorite Cthulhu

[CrucifyCindy]

Shiranu,

How many Muslims have you directly addressed on their religious beliefs? When challenged, do they or do they not become defensive, every bit as badly any Christian fundamentalist? Do you live in a culture which is primarily Christian, or primarily Islamic? I know many Christians who aren't really sheep with fangs when others question their ideas, and I've no doubt there are Muslims who are no different. I am at least as Christophobic as I am Islamophobic, and I owe nobody an apology for that. I dislike the ideas behind both religions, and to be honest I'm not quite certain which is the most cruel to it's believers, but I am specifically concerned with the doctrinary philosophy of Islam, and how the Quran feeds these doctrines which justify murder, rape, and genocide. More so even than the doctrines taught in mainstream American churches because they are quite largely still taught today by Islamic leaders.

Deflect. Deflect. Deflect. Or is it you are incapable of answering a simple question.

[Shiranu]

In which part of Western philosophy do you find "intolerance"?

See; The entire history of all of Europe.
See; The "anthropology" of England that claimed they were a superiour "culture" (race) than any other, and thus had the right to do anything they wanted to "lesser cultures" because they weren't "human like us".
See; Romanticism, a huge movement that even today heavily influences Western culture, that put an emphasis on the "volk"... particularly the volk of the nation of the author or painter. This heavily influenced men like Napoleon and Hitler, who used the same rhetoric the Romantic poets and authors did to stir the people up (and it worked).
See; The Inquisitions, the Holocaust, the Crusades, the  the 1215 Fourth Lateran Council, the Renaissance and how it change the perceptions of Jews, Maria Theresa and Frederick II's comments and expelling of Jews from Austria and Prussia respectively, and so on and so forth...
See; The various laws throughout European history that have declared one race inferiour to the other.
See; The slave trade and massacres in Europe, from the mass shipping of Africans to the Americas to the massacres by Belgium and Italy at the turn of the century.
See; How ethic minority groups, such as the Basque, the Catalonians, the Welsh, the Scots, the Irish, etc. etc. were treated by the powers around them.

I could go on, but I think you should be able to grasp the point by now.

How many Muslims have you directly addressed on their religious beliefs?

Two, and it was after they brought up. I don't particularly go around confronting anyone, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, whatever on their religious belief because if they are not harming me, or harming anyone else, it's no one's damn business what faith they practice. And that is how they felt about my atheism.

I do ask questions about their religious practices on an anthropology ground, since that is my field of study and my hobby, but that is suppose to be, like any science, objective and without judgment. And I am just genuinely curious, cultures fascinate me.

When challenged, do they or do they not become defensive, every bit as badly any Christian fundamentalist?

Well I've never challenged them over their faith because I have no reason to, so I wouldn't know. None of them stone gays (or even have said anything negative about the LGBT community). None of them send money to ISIS and Al-Queda. Most of them are women and, frankly, have more ambition than most non-Muslim women I know (though that likely has more to do with the fact they are immigrants rather than their religion). When ever I told the two of them I was atheist, their response was, "Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I'm not really that heavy into Islam or take it literally, it's just how I was raised and part of my culture." (Aka, the exact same thing most Christians say).

And there is your issue; because they are Muslim, they are therefor fundamentalist and should act like Christian fundamentalists? I admit, I know a small sample size... maybe 10 I talk to with any regularity, but I have yet to meet a Muslim fundamentalist. Most of them are more politically progressive than any average American I know (two of them are fans of Bernie Sanders and more socialist styles of government, and the Egyptian was a technocrat... which is about as far removed from a theocracy fan as you could get.) and far more socially aware as well (again, more to do with being a minority than their religion I would assume). My favourite in terms of appearance is one Muslim man who comes in covered in tattoos, uses vulgarities and wears the little hat.

Do you live in a culture which is primarily Christian, or primarily Islamic?

I live in Texas, South/Central Texas, so I'll let you decide from there :P.

I am at least as Christophobic as I am Islamophobic, and I owe nobody an apology for that.

You certainly don't, but it's an extremely self-limiting world view and when you let it influence your opinion on people you have never met and completely misjudge their character because of prejudices... it's no different than a racist saying, "I shouldn't have to apologize for assuming this black guy is from the ghetto and smokes crack.".

So again, how many Muslims do you actually know?

[peacewithoutgod]

I have answered that question. Yes I am a theist and yes I am fucking with everybody.

Yes!

Well being that I am a polytheist I would have to say...all of them including my personal favorite Cthulhu

Since you admit you are fucking with anybody, then you should not expect any respect for your ideas in return.

[Atheon]

An example of Islamophobia is seeing a Muslim walking down the street, behaving like anyone else, and assuming he must be up to no good. Another is assuming an apparent terrorist attack was perpetrated by Muslims before any evidence is in. Another is seeing a Muslim kid hand in a clock for a science assignment, and assuming it's a bomb, having him cuffed and arrested. Another is profiling Muslims at airports, etc.

The following are not examples of Islamophobia: criticizing Islam, and all religions, for being an irrational belief system. Condemning Islamic extremists for their penchant for terrorism. Criticizing or disobeying local ordinances that demand that non-Muslims abide by Islamic law in non-theocratic countries. Profiling suspicious behaviors (rather than dress, skin color, religion, etc.) at airports etc.

Basically, Islamophobia is assuming that a random Muslim is a bad person before any evidence is in to back up that idea. It's like seeing a black person and assuming, without evidence, that he is a bad person. It's prejudice; i.e. pre-judging.

[peacewithoutgod]

See; The entire history of all of Europe.
See; The "anthropology" of England that claimed they were a superiour "culture" (race) than any other, and thus had the right to do anything they wanted to "lesser cultures" because they weren't "human like us".
See; Romanticism, a huge movement that even today heavily influences Western culture, that put an emphasis on the "volk"... particularly the volk of the nation of the author or painter. This heavily influenced men like Napoleon and Hitler, who used the same rhetoric the Romantic poets and authors did to stir the people up (and it worked).
See; The Inquisitions, the Holocaust, the Crusades, the  the 1215 Fourth Lateran Council, the Renaissance and how it change the perceptions of Jews, Maria Theresa and Frederick II's comments and expelling of Jews from Austria and Prussia respectively, and so on and so forth...
See; The various laws throughout European history that have declared one race inferiour to the other.
See; The slave trade and massacres in Europe, from the mass shipping of Africans to the Americas to the massacres by Belgium and Italy at the turn of the century.
See; How ethic minority groups, such as the Basque, the Catalonians, the Welsh, the Scots, the Irish, etc. etc. were treated by the powers around them.

I could go on, but I think you should be able to grasp the point by now.

Two, and it was after they brought up. I don't particularly go around confronting anyone, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, whatever on their religious belief because if they are not harming me, or harming anyone else, it's no one's damn business what faith they practice. And that is how they felt about my atheism.

I do ask questions about their religious practices on an anthropology ground, since that is my field of study and my hobby, but that is suppose to be, like any science, objective and without judgment. And I am just genuinely curious, cultures fascinate me.

Well I've never challenged them over their faith because I have no reason to, so I wouldn't know. None of them stone gays (or even have said anything negative about the LGBT community). None of them send money to ISIS and Al-Queda. Most of them are women and, frankly, have more ambition than most non-Muslim women I know (though that likely has more to do with the fact they are immigrants rather than their religion). When ever I told the two of them I was atheist, their response was, "Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I'm not really that heavy into Islam or take it literally, it's just how I was raised and part of my culture." (Aka, the exact same thing most Christians say).

And there is your issue; because they are Muslim, they are therefor fundamentalist and should act like Christian fundamentalists? I admit, I know a small sample size... maybe 10 I talk to with any regularity, but I have yet to meet a Muslim fundamentalist. Most of them are more politically progressive than any average American I know (two of them are fans of Bernie Sanders and more socialist styles of government, and the Egyptian was a technocrat... which is about as far removed from a theocracy fan as you could get.) and far more socially aware as well (again, more to do with being a minority than their religion I would assume). My favourite in terms of appearance is one Muslim man who comes in covered in tattoos, uses vulgarities and wears the little hat.

I live in Texas, South/Central Texas, so I'll let you decide from there :P.

You certainly don't, but it's an extremely self-limiting world view and when you let it influence your opinion on people you have never met and completely misjudge their character because of prejudices... it's no different than a racist saying, "I shouldn't have to apologize for assuming this black guy is from the ghetto and smokes crack.".

So again, how many Muslims do you actually know?

I see that needs qualification, although it really should not! We have not been discussing history, which you invoke - we have been discussing where the two opposing cultures are now at currently. On the whole, which condones more violence, and which feeds more off intolerance? End of discussion!

[drunkenshoe]

peacewithoutgod, do you get your thyroid levels check regularly? I am really not saying this to mess up with you or to insult. It's sincere.