The Refugee Crisis

[drunkenshoe]

"Cultural relativism is the principle of regarding the beliefs, values, and practices of a culture from the viewpoint of that culture itself. Originating in the work of Franz Boas in the early 20th century, cultural relativism has greatly influenced social sciences such as anthropology."

Cultural Relativism is NOT what you want/desire it to be, because it serves you or provides an angle for masturbation. It's the main anthropological principle. 

Home cooked notions and definitions doesn't make any difference. They are just personal beliefs.

[drunkenshoe]

(Greetings. I would like to give a general outline of my position regarding topics that involve more than one conscious being capable of rational thought.

Truth, including morality related truth, is provisional. It changes according to an ever increasing (and ever more detailed and reality matching) data set. If we consider all of existence a system and we want to remain contradiction free, then we cannot define truth within this system (see Tarski´s undefinability theorem and Godel´s incompleteness theorems).

Since we cannot define absolute moral truth (or any truth unless we have access to some meta-reality (hint: so far we do not)) within reasonable means and because the only way for us to have meaningful discussions despite differing starting points and/or values is to use reason as an axiom, it follows that we should not impose our value judgements of right and wrong without proper rational justification (which would be impossible since our value judgements stem from axioms that might not be shared or might even be arbitrary). From this amoral void, luckily, emerges a principle of self-determination, since imposition of our value judgements would necessarily imply shitting on reason (specially on the concept of burden of proof) and using force or other means to make our morality prevalent. Also making it so it does not apply to every element, humans in this particualr case, would be special pleading since almost any justification to limit the set it applies to would require value judgement at one point down the road.

Something that I like about this approach is that you could try to measure how well a society is doing (potentially bringing certain notions of progress and as a consequence of superiority) by quantifiable factors such as stability, information volume and the patterns that emerge from this self determination or lack of it (see http://arxiv.org/pdf/1410.8001v1.pdf for a rather funny example of lack of self determination disguised as the opposite at first glance...at least according to my interpretation and in the context of what I just mentioned).

Now regarding this topic, I guess you could come up with different positions given the hopefully fresh outlook I offer to this thread. Or not. Who the fuck knows.

Also reading some of you fuckers gave me cancer. Karma? Seriously? What the actual hell...)

Welcome to the forum Sirvas.

[Shiranu]

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/26/germanys-open-door-policies-inspiring-says-facebook-ceo-zuckerberg/

Inshallah.

Why should we have all the fun.

Get tens of millions of "refugees" and have a ball.
They will quickly assimilate and be a productive part of your society in no time. Two months or less.

What could go wrong?

Oddly enough... there seems to be exactly all of one source for this... and it only say's "claim" and "allegedly"...

Can yall just stop pretending like you give a shit about the truth or fact checking? Seriously... every time these sourceless "articles" come up you all jump at the bits and foam at the mouth like a pack of rabid dogs barking "I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL!" without even bothering to see if there is a shred of truth in them. You are like the fucking Republicans who believe the "brown shirts" of the U.N. are coming to take over America or that Democrats are buying blacks Cadillacs to parade over white people with.

If you want to blindly hate... be my guest. Just don't pretend there is any rational thought behind it. It's unbecoming.

[Baruch]

Cultural Relativism in anthropology, replaced Cultural Imperialism in anthropology.  That is what pr126 is pining for ... the good old days.  He is even older than me, so he is entitled to behave this way ;-)

[pr126]

Scared Sweden: Almost Half Of Women ‘Afraid’ To Be Out After Dark In Europe’s Rape Capital

“Almost every Swedish woman feels very or somewhat unsafe when they exercise alone in the dark”, finds new research by the Aftonbladet newspaper in the wake of the migrant rape crisis.

Combining a wide-ranging study of attitudes of women towards being outside in the evening on their own and personal interviews, the findings show that the statement of 34-year-old Ellinor Andersson that she carried a bunch of keys in her hand at night, ready to strike out, are quite normal.

Talking to Aftonbladet, the woman said: “I would never go running by myself on a Friday or a Saturday night”. Another said she would never go out alone after seven in the evening.

The survey finds that now 46 per cent of women aged 16 or over felt either very or somewhat unsafe when they are alone in the dark, compared to just 20 per cent for men. Even during the daytime many are uncomfortable, the results also show 43 per cent felt insecure while in a city on their own, and around a third were “afraid” of Swedish cities”.

Many women were so afraid of trying to get home in the dark, they would go to lengths to avoid it. Almost one third said they’d rather stay at a friend’s house overnight than try and get home, should they be caught out by the falling sun.

The figures may come as a surprise to some, given the reputation Sweden once enjoyed for being one of the happiest and safest countries in the world. Today, Sweden has been called the rape capital of the west, and despite efforts to debunk the title it still has significantly higher than average rates of assault.

While the Aftonbladet study makes absolutely no reference to what precisely the women are afraid of, the study comes amid a barrage of stories coming out of the country of lone women being raped and attacked by newly arrived migrants.

One major concern is that many of these men remain free after offending, having been handed extremely short sentences or not having been caught at all. A news story that may weigh heavily on the minds of Swedish women, and was reported by their national media before the police stopped revealing the identity of offenders in crimes where migrants were involved to avoid seeming “racist”, is that of a brutal gang rape in a secluded park that left a woman with “life changing” injuries.

The 23-year-old victim was attacked while sitting alone on a park bench by a gang of teenage migrants. Once they beat her into submission the leader of the gang used his mobile phone to call his friends to join them and participate â€" eventually the woman was raped anally and vaginally six times by the group as her attackers laughed at her.

Because the men were technically under age they were tried in a children’s court and all will be released this year, having been serves just six month sentences. The leader of the attack, who received nine months in a juvenile institution couldn’t stand even that, and escaped detention last month and is now on the run.

Come now Europeans, this is just plain Islamophobia. Why fear Islam?

These are poor refugees who just want a better life for themselves.
It is your duty to make it happen.
Give them whatever they need. For your own good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4ZjodXY1DE

[mauricio]

"Cultural relativism is the principle of regarding the beliefs, values, and practices of a culture from the viewpoint of that culture itself. Originating in the work of Franz Boas in the early 20th century, cultural relativism has greatly influenced social sciences such as anthropology."

Cultural Relativism is NOT what you want/desire it to be, because it serves you or provides an angle for masturbation. It's the main anthropological principle. 

Home cooked notions and definitions doesn't make any difference. They are just personal beliefs.

It does not stop people from using the concept  as a statement to mean ethics are relative to the culture and therefore justifying double standards. And it does not stop us from calling bullshit on them. You are blaming thw wrong people. Blame the ones who transformed cultural relativism into moral relativism. Cultural relativism is supposed to be a mindset to understand other cultures from whithin themselves not a defense for unjustifiable actions because they are done by foreigners this is something that people actually do when talking about islam and multiculturalism, just because they use the term cultural relativism it does not mean they cannot corrupt and distort it's meaning. This distortion has been going on for a while and is noted by scholars in the wikipedia article in the section which i quoted in page 37. You seem to think that all this regressive bullshit is our making only because you have a onesided picture: you see my refutation of them, but not their remarks which I'm objecting too.

At the U.N. Third Millennium Summit in New York City, King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz defended Saudi Arabia's position on human rights, saying "It is absurd to impose on an individual or a society rights that are alien to its beliefs or principles."[126]

^ that shit is not a sound justification for the ethics of saudi arabia. It's deflection.

[pr126]

THE CAIRO DECLARATION ON HUMAN RIGHTS IN ISLAM

ARTICLE 24:

All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari'ah.

ARTICLE 25:

The Islamic Shari'ah is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification of any of the articles of this Declaration.

It  is a farce.
Pretty much annuls all the rights and freedoms stipulated in the preceeding 23 articles.

[drunkenshoe]

It does not stop people from using the concept  as a statement to mean ethics are relative to the culture and therefore justifying double standards. And it does not stop us from calling bullshit on them.

You are using it to justify double standards. With a bunch of other members. You are using it to defend that one culture; yours is superior to others. That include anything you spew up there.

It's your bullshit called out here.

[pr126]

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7557/germany-rape-migrants-crisis

[drunkenshoe]

Don't worry, pr. You'll have the riots and massive break down you dream of highly likley at this fall, 2016.

[Baruch]

THE CAIRO DECLARATION ON HUMAN RIGHTS IN ISLAM

It  is a farce.
Pretty much annuls all the rights and freedoms stipulated in the preceeding 23 articles.

Just a Sunni version of the Iranian constitution.  Imagine the US having only one legal religion.  Imagine that the SCOTUS is the absolute top branch of government, not coequal with the other two.  Then imagine that the SCOTUS justices are the highest ranking clerics in the US, which given the prior points, is infallible as a Medieval Pope.  Not the kind of country I would like to live in.  So it makes sense to put Sharia (one of the four branches of Sharia, the Hanafi I think is approved by the Salafists) at the top of jurisprudence.  As such ... there can be no legislation or creative judicial reinterpretation as happens in the West.  In all legal systems, a set of axioms at the top, trumps the derivative laws below ... otherwise the judiciary has no system to rely on other than personal preference.

[pr126]

Hi strom, the refugee crisis is a humanitarian disaster. This one, blame it on humans, no one else. It puts into question the very concept of borders, nationhood and human nature.

The "refugees" are coming from all over the Muslim world, virtually every country from North Africa, Middle East, South Asia, and a few from Syria to Europe.

This is called Hijra.
Read up about Muhammad's Hijra to Medina. This is an invasion.
Europe has already over 50 million Muslims, many more millions to come.
Socialist welfare system and open borders spells economic meltdown.

How come the vast majority of "refugees" are all military age Muslim males without families?
If you were fleeing a war zone, would you leave your family behind? Wife, kids, old peoples?

The civil war in Syria is mainly a sectarian war between Shia and Sunni Muslims, which is a centuries old enmity.

The ISIS is the manifestation of 7th century orthodox Islam, a time warp, if you will.
For our politicians to maintain that they have nothing to do with Islam is a preposterous lie.
They even calling it Daesh so the reference to Islam is blurred.

It is a man made disaster all right, but Muslim made.
It is unfortunate that the west interfered, but it can't be helped now.
The acceptance of unlimited "refugees" will destroy first Europe, and then the others.
Do not think for one moment that the USA will be immune to this invasion.
Your borders are just as open as Europe's.
This is the largest human migration in modern history. Not over yet.

http://youtu.be/OLE1pXGo700

[drunkenshoe]

Refugee crisis is a human created disaster. Everyone knows what created it.

[Baruch]

Denying the cause, and decrying the effect ... is pretty ineffective.  I would expect pr126 has gained at most one convert from all his posts.  I assume he mostly likes the sound of his own voice, or he wouldn't keep at it.

[pr126]

Denying the cause, and decrying the effect ... is pretty ineffective.  I would expect pr126 has gained at most one convert from all his posts.  I assume he mostly likes the sound of his own voice, or he wouldn't keep at it.

Would you say that European's concern about their future is totally unfounded?
Are the European people culpable for their irresponsible leaders actions?