The Refugee Crisis

[josephpalazzo]

I am sure that the US will not be neglected by the immigration. Obama will import as many as he can.
Canada has voted for an Islamophile, so North America is also blessed by Allah.

If there are enough Americans drinking the Democrat Koolaid, then you are screwed for the next 4 -8 years. After that, nothing matters anymore.

In my estimation, Sanders doesn't have much of a chance of winning. If he does, it will be gridlock for 4 more years. OTOH, Clinton is one tough cookie with a lot of experience. Right now, she's the better bet from all the candidates on both sides of the aisle. On the Republican side, Trump has pledged to make America great again. I don't know how competent he would be as "being good in business" does not translate easily into "being good in politics". The rest of the Republican nominees are lame, uninspiring and suffer from a lack of imagination. On the international scene, 2016 being an election year, the US will be nothing but a spectator to what is happening in Europe and the Middle East.

[pr126]

HRC cares about wealth and power. America comes as a poor second. Bad choice.
Plus too many Muslim Brotherhood connections.
They will put her into the oval office.
Just watch.

[josephpalazzo]

HRC cares about wealth and power. America comes as a poor second. Bad choice.
Plus too many Muslim Brotherhood connections.
They will put her into the oval office.
Just watch.

Hmm, there's also the fact that HRC is in bed with billionaire Haim Saban, who  has openly commented, “I’m a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel.” So, you get all sorts of comments: she's pro-Islam; she's pro-Israel.

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2015/06/91758hawkish-hillary-clinton-and-her-israel-first-political-sugar-daddy-haim-saban/

[pr126]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd2_1455070923

[Shiranu]

Plus too many Muslim Brotherhood connections.
They will put her into the oval office.

[josephpalazzo]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd2_1455070923

That cannot be true.  That woman is really making up stories. It's a right-wing conspiracy...

[Baruch]

A friendly warning for our EU members ...

Even the EU immigration commissioner says ... the if the EU council doesn't do something quick, that actually works, the EU only has 10 more days before the haggis hits the fan.  Others give y'all 2-3 weeks more.  I plan on stocking up for a banking holiday, I would suggest you do the same.  Basically the strategy in the US (and probably in the EU) is a lock-down.  Nobody leaves or enters, or Nigel Farange gets it.  He has already faced one or more assassination attempts recently.  The US will not be immune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPBp6DOwgU

This is the real world even today, without all the PC bullshit.

[drunkenshoe]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd2_1455070923

So there is basically a war over there in streets according to what she is telling. How is it that we didn't see anything in the media I have no idea, but OK. Seriously, sincerely I take everything she says and believe it. 

Police doesn't work. Law doesn't work. And the government is not doing anything about it. So they are trying to annihilate their own people?

Why? What is it? What is the catch?

[mauricio]

Hmm... for some reason a European crying about their ethnicity being eroded just doesn't hit me. Guess it's probably karma for hundreds and hundreds of years destroying any non-white culture that just makes their "plight" hard to sympathize with. Shit... Europeans destroying each other's culture all the time (to this day)... see the Sami or Basque people.

White people here in the states cried the same thing; that the immigrants were going to destroy the TRUE American (WASP). They are no longer the majority... but they still seem to be doing quite well for themselves despite the end of the world cries.









Same shit different day... the "poor criminals" are invading our country... raping our women... bringing violence and a culture completely and utterly incompatible to ours with their foreign religion and radical ideologies. They are terrorists! Anarchists! Communists! Socialists! Islamists! They will take our jobs and out populate us! They are the biggest threat the world has ever seen.

I think only some Asian countries like China and Korea have the WASP beat in racial insecurity. It's like people collectively cut off their brains in history class. Whites (sorry... "Europeans") won't be going the way of the dodo any time soon.

Amazing how you can fill Just your first sentences with so much guilt by association (of fucking race at that) and punish the sons for the sins of the fathers. And also apparently a wrong is not so wrong because of previous wrongs. Like it or not european people developed really important things like science and liberalism and the reasonable europeans who still understand the value of those things are a minority whithin the minority that is their culture worldwide. A lot of progress the human being has done would go to shit if the secular liberal democracies and their culture get swallowed by theocratic/authoritarian regimes and their culture. Also we are the inheritors of those ideas and we should seek to protect them against all anithetical ideologies be it by the name of islamism or any other.

[Shiranu]

If you got guilt from that, that only speaks to the baggage you brought in to the conversation.

The point is I don't believe in running around crying that the end it's a coming and doomsday awaits every time the white majority claims the big brown wolf is coming to get them nor the capitalist or Christian who fears the en vogue boogeyman will take their slice of the pie. We say it over and over that the "good ol' days" are coming to an end and guess what... It never happens.

Do at least try to have one sentence that actually addressed what I said instead of strawmanning me, a 3/4ths European  male, as some white hating, democracy usurping fanboy of theocracy.

[mauricio]

If you got guilt from that, that only speaks to the baggage you brought in to the conversation.

The point is I don't believe in running around crying that the end it's a coming and doomsday awaits every time the white majority claims the big brown wolf is coming to get them nor the capitalist or Christian who fears the en vogue boogeyman will take their slice of the pie. We say it over and over that the "good ol' days" are coming to an end and guess what... It never happens.

Do at least try to have one sentence that actually addressed what I said instead of strawmanning me, a 3/4ths European  male, as some white hating, democracy usurping fanboy of theocracy.

Hmm... for some reason a European crying about their ethnicity being eroded just doesn't hit me. Guess it's probably karma for hundreds and hundreds of years destroying any non-white culture that just makes their "plight" hard to sympathize with.

You literally said you find it hard to care for the erosion of the european ethnicity because it's probably karma for the colonialism of yore. Karma is the notion of a universal justice that eventually evens out the scales.You are collectivizing the european people and showing you do not care for the erosion of their ethnicity because they probably deserve it for past transgressions by their ancenstors and leaders holding the collective guilty of them as if two wrongs made one right . Its clear as day what you meant don't try to bullshit me. You could have made arguments about whether the facts actually show that the european ethnicity is being eroded by muslims or not, without any of that bullshit rhetoric that implies some really backwards ethical reasoning. Also my point was not that you are advocating theocracy or hate whites i was just stating facts about the current landscape of cultures and demographics and of our legacy as inheritors of european philosophies. My criticism of you was this part:
Amazing how you can fill Just your first sentences with so much guilt by association (of fucking race at that) and punish the sons for the sins of the fathers. And also apparently a wrong is not so wrong because of previous wrongs.

[Shiranu]

You literally said you find it hard to care for the erosion of the european ethnicity because it's probably karma for the colonialism of yore.

Which is completely irrelevant to anything you said... unless you want to argue that "ethnicity" makes you more cultured than "lesser ethnicities" in which case you accusing me of being callused about race goes from slightly annoying to extremely comical.

.You are collectivizing the european people and showing you do not care for the erosion of their ethnicity because they probably deserve it for past transgressions by their ancenstors and leaders holding the collective guilty of them as if two wrongs made one right .

Again ethnicity is a completely irrelevant and outdated concept in terms of "superiourity" so... unless you are arguing that ethnicity makes you a better person simply because you were born "white" or "Anglo" instead of "brown" or "Middle Eastern... what does it matter?

Its clear as day what you meant don't try to bullshit me.

As I said... it's you coming in to this with baggage... not me. You apparently think being born ethnically white makes you "culturally superiour" so I am not going to shed too many tears over you accusing me of being unfair to a race.

Would addressing my point not have been easier than 9 sentence post on how you believe ethnicity makes you a superiour person?

[mauricio]

Which is completely irrelevant to anything you said... unless you want to argue that "ethnicity" makes you more cultured than "lesser ethnicities" in which case you accusing me of being callused about race goes from slightly annoying to extremely comical.

Again ethnicity is a completely irrelevant and outdated concept in terms of "superiourity" so... unless you are arguing that ethnicity makes you a better person simply because you were born "white" or "Anglo" instead of "brown" or "Middle Eastern... what does it matter?

As I said... it's you coming in to this with baggage... not me. You apparently think being born ethnically white makes you "culturally superiour" so I am not going to shed too many tears over you accusing me of being unfair to a race.

Would addressing my point not have been easier than 9 sentence post on how you believe ethnicity makes you a superiour person?

Are you being purposely dense. People who criticize the mass migration are not talking about just skin color or other more trivial aspects of ethnicity being eroded, they are talking about culture and the valuable ideas within it. Ethnicity includes cultural aspects it is not just a synonym of race. You should know that. And yes a liberal secular democracy is superior to islamist theocratic regimes because it allows far more self determination for it's citizens. And yes being ethnically "white" will make you on average culturally superior to your average muslim in the ME just by virtue of th degree of penetration of liberal ideas in the western world and sphere of influence. And you have failed to explain why you felt the need to guilt by association the european people and you think it is karma that their ethnicity is eroded as if that was somehow justified by some historical and collectivist guilt you are laying upon them.

[mauricio]

You are threading on cultural relativism bullshit which means you will need to justify to me how are all cultures, specially their ethical and political ideologies of equivalent values. I do not believe in objective morality but i can tell you the baseline of ethics is selfdetermination because if we are to engage the topic in a reasonable manner from the basic laws of thought then self determination follows.

[Sirvas]

(Greetings. I would like to give a general outline of my position regarding topics that involve more than one conscious being capable of rational thought.

Truth, including morality related truth, is provisional. It changes according to an ever increasing (and ever more detailed and reality matching) data set. If we consider all of existence a system and we want to remain contradiction free, then we cannot define truth within this system (see Tarski´s undefinability theorem and Godel´s incompleteness theorems).

Since we cannot define absolute moral truth (or any truth unless we have access to some meta-reality (hint: so far we do not)) within reasonable means and because the only way for us to have meaningful discussions despite differing starting points and/or values is to use reason as an axiom, it follows that we should not impose our value judgements of right and wrong without proper rational justification (which would be impossible since our value judgements stem from axioms that might not be shared or might even be arbitrary). From this amoral void, luckily, emerges a principle of self-determination, since imposition of our value judgements would necessarily imply shitting on reason (specially on the concept of burden of proof) and using force or other means to make our morality prevalent. Also making it so it does not apply to every element, humans in this particualr case, would be special pleading since almost any justification to limit the set it applies to would require value judgement at one point down the road.

Something that I like about this approach is that you could try to measure how well a society is doing (potentially bringing certain notions of progress and as a consequence of superiority) by quantifiable factors such as stability, information volume and the patterns that emerge from this self determination or lack of it (see http://arxiv.org/pdf/1410.8001v1.pdf for a rather funny example of lack of self determination disguised as the opposite at first glance...at least according to my interpretation and in the context of what I just mentioned).

Now regarding this topic, I guess you could come up with different positions given the hopefully fresh outlook I offer to this thread. Or not. Who the fuck knows.

Also reading some of you fuckers gave me cancer. Karma? Seriously? What the actual hell...)