Women hitting men and getting hit back.

[Draconic Aiur]

Whenever I logical state based what Id seen from media, history or personal experience on this forum I get insulted and treated as a misogynist, but when this whole shabang  started and still going like this thread its misandry all over the fucking place and the girls here as well as some men are like based on these piece of shit human garbage, all men are bad and all women should be treated like a princess(never hit a woman, always treat them as if their sacred) and then Drunkenshoe came in got angry because in turkey there's alot of misogynists, and proceed to flame, and the other girls followed suite and I'm like fuck you(perhaps took it to far) labeled her and these feminists misandrists and now im being  overly overexert because I feel I'm being attacked. I apologize for being overexert and a jerk but to have a fuck ton of misandry or misogynist is not cool.

[Hydra009]

Is it just me, or has there been an inordinate amount of misogyny bubbling to the surface in this forum?

Apparently, these sorts of threads tend to attract the crazies.  But please don't associate the rest of us with them.

[TomFoolery]

Is it just me, or has there been an inordinate amount of misogyny bubbling to the surface in this forum?

There is, and I can't really explain why. It's like baiting, and the second anyone comments to the contrary all of a sudden we have a misandry problem because someone can't champion greater degrees of professional and social equality for women without yanking it out of men's cold, dead hands apparently, as if there was only so much equality to go around. :)

[Hydra009]

There was a website -which I cannot find, removed?- about how girls are unconsciously or consciously conditioned to think that hitting males are OK from childhood, because physical strength and power is always associated with males. That they almost thend to think that they don't hurt, because they are 'stronger'.

I posted a video a while back about how domestic abuse - serious physical harm - is taken far less seriously by women if the abuser is female beating on a male victim than if the abuser were male beating on a female victim.  The assumptions were that if the male was attacked, she wouldn't be able to seriously harm him (wrong) or that he must've done something to deserve it (conversely, the female getting beating up is absolutely heinous and even suggesting that she somehow deserved it is seen as about as monstrous as the abuse itself).  Ironically enough, they considered themselves big proponents of gender equality.

And while on average, men do have a slight physical advantage, men are not immune to slapping, punching, or talon-like nails.  It could be even worse if they intentionally weather such abuse because of the mistaken idea that defending themselves is unmanly.

[peacewithoutgod]

theres a alot of misandry as well. my thughts are on society im not angry im just logically putting things out and getting hated on

That's because the gender which is best at silencing the other with accusations of sexism respects the rights of all members of society to speak their minds, so long as they are the right gender. Guess that will always be the nature of the beast!

[peacewithoutgod]

Apparently, these sorts of threads tend to attract the crazies.  But please don't associate the rest of us with them.

Yep - agree with what she says, or it's you who are crazy. Which is probably true, when a man's opinion vs. that of a woman's is never fairly weighted in America. In all truth it really isn't where social conservatives rule, and a woman is never right. Nor is it ever fairly weighted in a liberal orbit, where a man can never be right, and nobody care's about his side of any said horror-story. But when one side stands up and loudly points out the unfairness of the other, and then refuses to respect the rules of fairness the very moment it gains power, that's when you know, undeniably, that the smell of injustice which has been fouling the air has more than one source.

[Mermaid]

im not a misogynist, i love women

Your language suggests otherwise.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Some women just dared you to hit them.

[Youssuf Ramadan]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/daddy-call-police-mugger-pleads-140855047.html#9TT1ZsU

‘Daddy Call The Police’: Mugger pleads for life after attacking Champion MMA Fighter

In the footage, Wesley Sousa de Araujo can be seen desperately pleading as MMA champion Monique Bastos traps his head in-between her legs, locking his neck in a ‘lion killer choke’ until police finally showed up

This is the moment that a desperate robber was left pleading for his ‘daddy’ after attempting to attack a woman â€" who turned out to be a martial arts champion.
In the footage, Wesley Sousa de Araujo can be seen desperately pleading as MMA champion Monique Bastos traps his head in-between her legs, locking his neck in a ‘lion killer choke’ until police finally showed up.
Ms Bastos had been previously approached by Araujo and another man on a street in Acailandia, Western Brazil â€" and pounced after the men cornered women and demanded their mobile phones.
In the clip, he is heard shouting: ‘Daddy, call the police, daddy. Help Jesus. I swear, it was the first time I’ve everdone this. Help, Lord, somebody help me.
Where’s my mum?‘
Ms Batos later recalled how she had taken Araujo to the ground in a ‘rear-naked choke’ before locking him in a ‘triangle choke’ until police arrived at the scene.
‘One of the guys grabbed the mobile phone I was carrying. I could see that they were not armed so I knocked their motorbike down’, she said.
‘I wasn’t afraid. I knew I could immobilise them.
‘One of them managed to run away, so I got the motorbike drive with a ‘lion killer’ and held him in my legs.
Araujo was later arrested â€" but denied trying to rob Ms Bastos.

Awesome! 

[Munch]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/daddy-call-police-mugger-pleads-140855047.html#9TT1ZsU

Awesome! 

See that I like, little shit tried it on and got his head in a headlock, crying for his daddy? But still I love stories where thugs try it on and someone with judo or martial arts training kicks their ass, its none violent, but very effective means of countering brainless thugs.

[doorknob]

alright let me put this out there!

I find it hard to believe that some of you insist or implied that abusive men are rare or non existent. THEY FUCKING EXIST! Lots of them. I've seen it happen in front of me. And while I agree that you shouldn't hit a man I don't think a man gets a free pass when a girl half his size slaps him to just beat the shit out of her! And I've seen this happen with my own eyes!

There are thousands of ways to handle such a situation with out resorting to violence!

No I don't think women should be allowed to beat on men I don't expect you to just stand there like some kind of nitwit. Pin her to the ground put something between the two of you! Any fucking thing! But not hitting! There are some things that shouldn't be promoted and hitting women is one of those things.

If hitting a child is wrong and hitting a woman is wrong

than so is hitting a man! I agree 100%

And if you are a woman being abused by a man don't take that shit leave him. Get as far the fuck away as you can! I had a friend who stayed until she got stabbed 11 times in the chest! From her I finally learned not to tolerate being hit.

So yes I take men hitting women extremely seriously! Unless she has a weapon or serious advantage hitting a woman should not be your go to. Use your fucking brains that you claim are so much more logical and rational to solve the situation. It's not rocket science!

[Munch]

Doorknob, I honestly don't think anyone is arguing that violent and abusive men exist here. If anything there are more violent and abusive men in most reports on domestic violence then anything else releasing to that subject.

But that doesn't mean women can't be violent and abusive to men either, they can be just as much, at home, at work, in schools. 

Domestic violence should never be a thing, but it sadly is, and if wives or husbands are abused by there partners or bosses or the like, then one can only hope the victim does something about it back, either showing the abuser they are not victims, or having them arrested for it.

[Sargon The Grape]

And if you are a woman being abused by a man don't take that shit leave him.

That's not always an option, which is why these stories tend to end so tragically. We still live in a society where it's normal for women to be financially dependent upon their husbands, even if both of them hold down jobs.

I've taken enough psychology to know that human behavior generally only shifts when a certain behavior is no longer tolerated. If we can create a system where abuse no longer needs to be tolerated, that would be a much more workable solution than just telling these bullies, "Staaahhhhhhp! Staaaaahhhhp! I mean it, staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhp!"

[Ace101]

OK I watched this video. Here's my thoughts

I'd say it's fine to hit a woman in any situation in which hitting a man would be acceptable.

This also takes into account the physical size and strength of the attacker, and since on average women are weaker the instances would be much rarer, nevertheless exceptions would occur since women like men are individuals. Just as instances of an underage person being strong enough to hit an adult with damaging force would be very rare, but not completely non-existent.

In the case of retaliating to a water through with a punch to the face, it would be excessive force regardless of the sex of the attacker anyway, and even if both were arrested the hitter would receive the worse of the charges even he/she didn't if initiate it.

NO EXCUSE to hit a woman no exceptions!

In that case a 3'5'' male dwarf shouldn't defend himself if he was attacked by a 6'4'', 220lb female powerlifter simply because of the genitals of the attacker. Not even factoring in situations where the attacker is armed with a gun or a knife.

This is why extreme literalist ethics, and applying generalizations about groups (ex. "women are weaker") to every individual member of the group just doesn't work, because no matter how rare an exception, one always exists (this is the only rule without an exception, and it in itself is an exception, proving the point).

[Ace101]

What the fuck does protecting your family have to do with the value of feminism as an ideology?

Not sure about that dude, but "never hit a woman" is actually a old school chivalry view based on the generalization that "all women are weaker than men", and while true on average isn't without exception - since a female powerlifter for example is stronger than the average male desk jockey.

The feminist view wouldn't be concerned with the gender of the attacker, just the size and strength of the two parties involved - so while on average the woman may be unable to hit the man with any significant force, it wouldn't be without exception. If someone is suggesting that both axioms apply simultaneously however (ex. that men and women should be judged by merit rather than gender... but you should still never hit a woman regardless of her size, strength, or armament) then that is an example of wanting to have the cake and eat it too.

That's because the gender which is best at silencing the other with accusations of sexism respects the rights of all members of society to speak their minds, so long as they are the right gender. Guess that will always be the nature of the beast!

Fact is there are extremists on every side of any isle. Whether extreme feminists or extreme anti-feminists. I've seen the worst of both and it ain't pretty.

Arguing over which side has "the most or worst" extremists is a pretty pointless endeavor if you ask me - it's basically like a debate over "who's nicer? Hitler or Stalin? The argument that "Side A has it worse than Side B so what Side A does doesn't matter" is stupid as well, since it's applying generalizations about a group to every individual member of a group - meaning it's the same logic as assuming that anyone who's black is a criminal just because "statistics show blacks commit a higher portion of crimes" - it's still a moot point individual cases since a black banker is less of a criminal than a white skinhead, and vice versa.

And if either side can't call out the crazies in its own camp - whether Valerie Solanas or Marc Lepine types, then that's just an example of the extreme partisanship and jingoism that modern political debates have degenerated into, to the point that many of them are barely distinguishable from an angry Reddit thread.