Why do people become Islamic extremist?

[GSOgymrat]

Thoughts?

https://youtu.be/-IchGuL501U

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Well said.

[Shiranu]

Very well said, and very refreshing to the constant narrative of, "It's 100% Islam, nothing else can be to blame!" that right-wingers want to saturate us with.

It's amazing how easy it is to turn a human being violent and to hate if you appear to be an authority.

[pr126]

Why there are not equal numbers of "extremists" from other religious groups or from people with no religion?
Is poverty and ignorance only exist in Islam? If so, why?

He doesn't say.

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The world has transferred over $20 Trillion (OPEC) for oil since the 70s, also many $$$ billions in "aid" to Muslim countries.
What happened to all that wealth? 

and this? , or this?

He doesn't say.

[Shiranu]

Is poverty and ignorance only exist in Islam? If so, why?

He doesn't say.

And the award for, "Clearly Did Not Watch A Minute Of The Video But Am Commenting On It Anways!" goes to...

[pr126]

OK, I have watched the video in full.

My question still stand:

Why there are not equal numbers of "extremists" from other religious groups or from people with no religion?

Only Islam teaches world domination to it's adherents by warfare.

[Shiranu]

Why there are not equal numbers of "extremists" from other religious groups or from people with no religion?

Take a look at the most violent countries in the world, and tell me how far down you have to scroll before you find a Muslim country other than Turkmenistan (I'll give you a hint, it's in the upper-70s, and it's a war torn country).

Have you seen what drug lords in Mexico, Colombia, Brasil, Venezuela, etc. etc. do? They make ISIS look like a bunch of little bitches, who would piss themselves and go crying home to their mommies the moment they had to face the barbarianism of a Zeta gangster.

I really wonder how intentionally ignorant you can continue to play before it subliminally slips through your mind that, "Oh, shit, I'm being a complete idiot!".

Why only Islam teaches world domination to it's adherents by warfare?

History; seriously, go open up ANY history book... read like... 5 pages... then come back and read that quote again and laugh with the rest of us at just how stupid that was.

[pr126]

Shir, I gave you a clue:

Only Islam teaches world domination to it's adherents by warfare.

It would help if you read the Quran and hadiths.

History books? Well, how about the History of Islam?

The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims: 

This book reveals how, for well over a millennium and across three continents - Asia, Africa, and Europe - non-Muslims who were vanquished by jihad wars became forced tributaries (called dhimmi in Arabic) in lieu of being slain. Under the dhimmi religious caste system, non-Muslims were subjected to legal and financial oppression, as well as social isolation. Extensive primary and secondary source materials, many translated here for the first time into English, are presented, making clear that jihad conquests were brutal, imperialist advances, which spurred waves of Muslims to expropriate a vast expanse of lands and subdue millions of indigenous peoples. Finally, the book examines how jihad war, as a permanent and uniquely Islamic institution, ultimately regulates the relations of Muslims with non-Muslims to this day. Scholars, educators, and interested lay readers will find this collection an invaluable resource

[Shiranu]

K.

[pr126]

I do realize that I have a problem.
I lack the cultural Marxist indoctrination of the American universities that is so prevalent in the US education.

Maybe then I would be more understanding towards Islam.
As it is, I understand Islam as it is in reality, not as I would like it to be.

btw, it is not extremism. It is jihad, or holy war. Surprise, it has a religious / political motive.

[Shiranu]

I lack the cultural Marxist indoctrination of the American universities that is so prevalent in the US education.

10/10, I actually laughed out loud. No exaggeration, that actually got a healthy chuckle out of me.

Cultural Marxist... that's what Pat Buchanan, Gamergaters and Brevik use to justify their bigotry. A concept that was created for racists, sexists and homophobes to say, "Colleges are teaching our kids that homosexuality and niggers are okay, and that wemen and wetbacks should have rights, and that is imposing on my freedom of speech!!!".

See, this is why I continue... just when I think you cant come up with something more radical and outlandish, you do!

I thank you though; the more I look at this "cultural marxism", the funnier it gets. It's the gift that keeps on giving!

It was founded by... THE JEWWWWWSSSS!!!!... during WW2, and that THE JEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSS!!!! are intentionally trying to bring down Western civilization by promoting sexual promiscuity and racial tolerance.

This is brilliant. You wouldn't happen to be a Scientology as well, or maybe believe that the government is run by shape-shifting lizard men would you? Because that would just make my night.

Edit: Don't get me wrong though, I realise you are a product of your culture :P, so I hold nothing against you.

[pr126]

Edit: Don't get me wrong though, I realise you are a product of your culture :P, so I hold nothing against you.

We both are.

Anyone thinks differently from you is not necessarely mad.

[Shiranu]

We both are.

Fair enough. But to give a serious response to what you said about cultural marxism, even assuming it's the truth; I grew up in an anti-black, anti-homo, anti-non-Christian family in a region that is predominately similar. I "learned" to be tolerant from not wanting to end up white trash like 90% of the people I grew up around.

The culture I grew up in was 20 minutes out of a town with, in my youth, 3,000 or so people or so. Nearly 20% of the youth are bellow the poverty line, and a very low graduation rate (in my class, there were about 100-something Freshman and by graduation it was about 50). I know 6 people from my town who went to college, the rest stayed in town to work in the oil fields, farms or gas stations.

We were ranked one of the worst schools in the nations (also, just about 25 minutes away from the town that had the most teenage pregnancies in the nation 2 years in a row!), and I'm going to be honest; 99% of people from there have never met a Muslim in their life nor have the slightest clue about anything about them other than they did 9/11 and deserve to be deported and nuked.

I can only speak for a certain region of the United States, but cultural marxism is not a thing in the rural south at least, and that is the culture I am (unfortunately) born into. My "tolerance" of Islam (and basically any minority) comes from seeing how hateful and xenophobic my culture was and rejecting it (and being rejected by it because I am not "white", and even worse I am mixed, unlike any of the other white people, who made up 84% of the population).

So product of my culture, yes; but my strong opinions on the subject are not because they are the norm, but because I myself have been a minor victim of minority prejudice, but even worse was growing up knowing it was wrong and buying into it for awhile and seeing just how harmful it can be.

Edit: And I guess to an extent that will answer your question, Pickled, if you browse this thread, as to why I don't just shut up when I disagree with someone. That was unintentional to address that, but I guess it works out. I say when I disagree with stuff because I've seen the harm of just nodding your head and staying silent about something you disagree with.

[pr126]

I grew up and educated in a communist country, in pure Stalinism.

Islam is just another totalitarian, fascist oppressive ideology.

[Shiranu]

I grew up and educated in a communist country, in pure Stalinism.

Islam is just another totalitarian, oppressive ideology.

I see where you are coming from, but it's the same thing that could be said (and WAS said, over and over and over again, even to this day) of socialism.

Moderate Islam has worked, is working, in-so-much as moderate Christianity works in places like Venezuela, Colombia, Brasil, etc. . Islam can be tempered down and changed, because it HAS been tempered down and changed. Just because it's Holy Book says it can't doesn't mean it cant... otherwise I wouldn't have sold food to three Muslims who came into my store Monday, or know a Muslim who drinks alcohol. And we wouldn't have countries like Turkey or Iran (pre-U.S.-overthrowing-of-secular-government) that are 95%+ Muslim but embrace a secular government and don't practice their Islam at all like the radical clerics in Saudi Arabia preach.

Political Islam can change and/or fall just as any other political entity can. In an "ideal world", Islam wouldn't exist... nor would Christianity or Judaism or sexism or racism. But it does, and throwing the baby out with the bathwater will never convince moderates that they have a chance to make changes, or that we will support them in making changes.

From the outside looking in, there would be no hope of the culture I grew up in ever changing. It stayed the same for hundreds of years. But slowly and surely it is changing, and that is driving the radicals in it to more radical positions and yelling louder and louder. But they are losing, and that is all we can hope for from Islam; it will never go away, it will either swing in our favour, or towards radicalism. These are the only two possible out comes. So given this, the only logical answer is to promote moderation in any way, shape, or form... not to constantly tear all them down and tell them it's impossible they will change, that they are hopeless barbarians who will never learn. That is not what changed my culture, and it won't be what will change theirs.