In 180 seconds you'll be voting for Bernie Sanders. .

[Shiranu]

Bernie Sanders fancies himself a Socialist.  He would (politically) fare much better in a country which favors Socialism. Like in Europe or somewhere.  Anywhere but the US.   

It's not about winning, it's about fighting for what you believe in. Sanders' history is full of this stance, and it's one of the things that makes him so admirable. So what if he could win where he is the norm? That isn't how change is made.

[Hydra009]

It's not about winning, it's about fighting for what you believe in.

...in the primary.  The general election is definitely all about winning.

[Shiranu]

...in the primary.  The general election is definitely all about winning.

(In regards to it would be much easier for him to just go somewhere else)

[AllPurposeAtheist]

I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of the political stuff anymore revolves around click through, Facebook politics designed to make money for whoever is in charge of putting the shit online for us to click on.  One example is the notion that we'll have a constitutional amendment to overturned CU which is a pure pipe dream  It would require both houses of congress and 3/4th of the states to ratify it which simply isn't going to happen.  I'm a bit disappointed Sanders uses it on the stump because he knows it's a lost cause so the ONLY way CU gets overturned is through SCOTUS which is going to require that democrats, progressive democrats in particular hold the white house until the right wingers either die of old age or retire and even then the congress would have to approve of whoever the president nominated. 

[trdsf]

I don't see anything wrong with talking about it.  That's how the idea gets into the system, so support can be built for the 3/4 states necessary for an amendment.  If no one's talking about it, how is the idea supposed to get out there?  He's not promising he's going to sign it out of existence his first day in office.

But yes, the easiest way will be to get sane Justices on the Supreme Court and get it just overturned.  And that definitely means Representatives, Senators, and a President who are not teabaggers, beholden to them, or just barking mad.

[Shiranu]

But yes, the easiest way will be to get sane Justices on the Supreme Court and get it just overturned.

And that note; look at the ages of the court... upper 70s, 80, 80, and like... 82 or 83.

The time to change Justices is really close... the saner the president we have at that time, the better.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

I don't see anything wrong with talking about it.  That's how the idea gets into the system, so support can be built for the 3/4 states necessary for an amendment.  If no one's talking about it, how is the idea supposed to get out there?  He's not promising he's going to sign it out of existence his first day in office.

But yes, the easiest way will be to get sane Justices on the Supreme Court and get it just overturned.  And that definitely means Representatives, Senators, and a President who are not teabaggers, beholden to them, or just barking mad.

Of course talking about it is good, but something I read the other day talked about the people who circulate the petitions for click throughs and then solicit huge sums of money for things that are almost impossible to accomplish are disingenuous .. Fine, talk about an amendment but these are people who know how the system works.  They know damm good and well a constitutional amendment is one of the toughest things to ever get done in Washington and yet lead people on giving them the impression that a $3 or $50 "donation and clicking on a petition is all but a done deal and that the states would ever go for it.  CU just opened the flood gates to allow people with shitloads of money to buy elections, but what is not told is that every politician is a direct beneficiary of the corruption and it's the politicians who have to cut their own throats to pass such an amendment.  That's like addressing a convention of bank robbers about the ethics of taking money that doesn't belong to them. 

[SGOS]

Of course talking about it is good, but something I read the other day talked about the people who circulate the petitions for click throughs and then solicit huge sums of money for things that are almost impossible to accomplish are disingenuous .. Fine, talk about an amendment but these are people who know how the system works.  They know damm good and well a constitutional amendment is one of the toughest things to ever get done in Washington and yet lead people on giving them the impression that a $3 or $50 "donation and clicking on a petition is all but a done deal and that the states would ever go for it.  CU just opened the flood gates to allow people with shitloads of money to buy elections, but what is not told is that every politician is a direct beneficiary of the corruption and it's the politicians who have to cut their own throats to pass such an amendment.  That's like addressing a convention of bank robbers about the ethics of taking money that doesn't belong to them. 

I sent Obama a check for $200 eight years ago, when I thought he was a liberal.  Now I get that kind of "click on" solicitation from the Democratic Party several times a week.  Every hot button issue from guns, to abortion rights to global warming, or whatever highly emotional item has hit the news in the last week.  Hell, you'd think the Democratic Party was working for the people.  But the country keeps moving to the right (read "corporate control") regardless that half our leadership declares themselves Democrats.  It's all a scam to get money to get elected.  The real goal of our leaders is to get their hands on those really fat corporate donations, and in spite of all the good rhetoric, the country is falling further and further into corruption.  We point at the behavior of leaders in other 3rd world countries and identify the bribe taking and special favors as corruption.  We solved the corruption problem here by making it legal.

I'll never send a dime to another politician.

[Unbeliever]

I just took this quiz and I am apparently aligned with him 92%.

I don't think he'll win the primary, but I will likely vote for him. I will vote for Clinton if he loses.

http://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz

I agreed with Bernie 96%.

I recall a similar quiz way back, where I agreed 100% with Kucinich.

[trdsf]

Yeah, I hit the same 96% with Bernie, then I think it was 85% Hilary and 71% with O'Malley.  Cruz and Trump were my worst matches.

[peacewithoutgod]

If the choice comes down to Bernie vs. Hillary, less is known of the former than the latter. However, we know enough about Hillary not to want her in the Oral Office. We know her position on working Americans, how she stabbed us in the back with her injurious foreign policies. We know that Bernie is no racist by his history, despite the complaints of some for not making them his priority campaign issue (although their concerns are somewhat legitimized by current events). It's plain to see that Bernie's positions are voiced with more passion than any candidate ever to make it as far as he has in the polls since at least the time of FDR, and while Hillary plays the ultimate poker game, Bernie simply hasn't the face for that. Whether or not this is more a liability with Congress as it is a sign that we can trust him to give 98% of America the best that he can matters less to me than knowing that he can be trusted not to fuck with us, and that's why Bernie will be getting my vote at the primary polls.

[trdsf]

If the choice comes down to Bernie vs. Hillary, less is known of the former than the latter. However, we know enough about Hillary not to want her in the Oral Office. We know her position on working Americans, how she stabbed us in the back with her injurious foreign policies. We know that Bernie is no racist by his history, despite the complaints of some for not making them his priority campaign issue (although their concerns are somewhat legitimized by current events). It's plain to see that Bernie's positions are voiced with more passion than any candidate ever to make it as far as he has in the polls since at least the time of FDR, and while Hillary plays the ultimate poker game, Bernie simply hasn't the face for that. Whether or not this is more a liability with Congress as it is a sign that we can trust him to give 98% of America the best that he can matters less to me than knowing that he can be trusted not to fuck with us, and that's why Bernie will be getting my vote at the primary polls.

Given the alternatives, Hillary is infinitely preferable to the clot of religious bigots and economic "Darwinists" on the Republican side of the aisle.

But yes, if Bernie is still in the mix when the primaries come to my state, I will vote for him cheerily.  And if he does not eclipse her for the nomination, I will vote for Hillary in the fall without hesitation or regret.

[Mermaid]

If the choice comes down to Bernie vs. Hillary, less is known of the former than the latter. However, we know enough about Hillary not to want her in the Oral Office.

Freudian slip?

[JBCuzISaidSo]

Given the alternatives, Hillary is infinitely preferable to the clot of religious bigots and economic "Darwinists" on the Republican side of the aisle.

But yes, if Bernie is still in the mix when the primaries come to my state, I will vote for him cheerily.  And if he does not eclipse her for the nomination, I will vote for Hillary in the fall without hesitation or regret.

Now see, I almost feel that way. If Clinton would shrug off all of her campaign donors, the same people as your highest Republican/Libertarian front runner? Then, maybe. But if Sanders doesn't make it through primary (and, I live in VT, open primary vote here), then my vote is for nobody else, because they are all the same. And I am VERY tired of people telling me Hillary Clinton is better than my worst pick of Republicans. Because she's not.

[peacewithoutgod]

Freudian slip?

No, that's just how I've viewed the White House ever since Ronald Reagan polluted it with his inexorable stench.