Ohio toddler finds mom's gun, shoots self.

[Savior2006]

And did she expand on that to let you know what she meant or was it just a blow-off because that's what she says whenever an insurmountable reason challenge is presented to her?

She went with option 2.

[Savior2006]

I think you're wrong.

I was going to write a much more detailed response but there's no point in arguing any of this again.

As for this woman in Ohio? Should face involuntary homicide charges and a long mandatory prison sentence. Facing 25 to life automatically anytime someone dies as a result of your gun not being stored securely is the only way you will ever get people to rethink the way they store their weapons IMO.

Yeah, I'm sure the gun-happy folks running too many public offices in this country would really go for that.

[Feral Atheist]

america should have a law, anyone with a child be withheld from having firearms in the house until the child reaches of age they themselves would be counted as legal by law to carry one.

Perhaps they should also pass a law that people that don't know what they are talking about are banned from posting on forums.

The problem is stupid people and criminals don't even obey laws.  I'm not up on Ohio laws, but most states already have laws that guns must be secured from kids.  See how effective your "we need another law" approach is?

Our freedom is being destroyed with the mindset that everytime something happens we need yet another law.

[Feral Atheist]

You can't "defend" yourself with a gun, you can only counter aggression with more aggression.

No, you can defend yourself and save your life, or that of someone you love.  It happens thousands of times every year. 

[Mike Cl]

No, you can defend yourself and save your life, or that of someone you love.  It happens thousands of times every year.

It's nice to know we have an NRA shill we can call on for the wonderful propaganda they can impart to us.

[Feral Atheist]

It's nice to know we have an NRA shill we can call on for the wonderful propaganda they can impart to us.

No, I don't belong to the NRA, I disagree with some of their positions, just providing the fact that everyday good people successful defend their life with a gun. 

Most self-defense shootings occur in homes, in all kinds of neighborhoods.

What are you going to do if it's your door that is smashed down, beg a strung out druggie for your life, or defend yourself?

[drunkenshoe]

Perhaps they should also pass a law that people that don't know what they are talking about are banned from posting on forums.

The problem is stupid people and criminals don't even obey laws.  I'm not up on Ohio laws, but most states already have laws that guns must be secured from kids.  See how effective your "we need another law" approach is?

Our freedom is being destroyed with the mindset that everytime something happens we need yet another law.

Considering your understanding of 'freedom' and gun issue you are too stupid to take seriously.

Because thinking that safety precautions will protect children or people from guns, people seeing it as some 'accessoire' expressing their 'freedom' or that they can actually protect themselves with it as a rule, that fire arms are like just other 'tools' like knives, hammers or machines like cars that cause death generally is stupidity you CANNOT deal with laws.

[drunkenshoe]

No, I don't belong to the NRA, I disagree with some of their positions, just providing the fact that everyday good people successful defend their life with a gun. 

Most self-defense shootings occur in homes, in all kinds of neighborhoods.

What are you going to do if it's your door that is smashed down, beg a strung out druggie for your life, or defend yourself?

Yeah, because somebody's door getting smashed down a daily thing that happens everywhere.

just providing the fact that everyday good people successful defend their life with a gun. 

Watching too much TV?

[Mike Cl]

No, I don't belong to the NRA, I disagree with some of their positions, just providing the fact that everyday good people successful defend their life with a gun. 

Most self-defense shootings occur in homes, in all kinds of neighborhoods.

What are you going to do if it's your door that is smashed down, beg a strung out druggie for your life, or defend yourself?

I get the gun thing.  We have a right to own a gun............... Do we need 100 round clips?  Do we need .50 Cal machine guns?  Do we need uzi's?  Assault rifles?  Do we need even 30 round clips?  Do we need 6,000 rounds?  How does the Australian gun killings compare to ours?  Is the British deaths by guns higher than ours?  Why do we lead the industrialized world in gun deaths?  Is it as the NRA states--guns don't kill people, people do?  Does that motto even make sense to you?

What will I do if somebody breaks into my house?  I will do all in my power to kill the mother--with a ball bat, butcher knife, my grandpa's old double bladed axe or whatever I can get my hands on.  And I will encourage my dogs to join in.  I chose not to have a gun in the house, though.  I don't feel the need.  I'm not afraid of them--I actually like them--I spent 12 years in the Army/NG and earned 3 expert badges for firing weapons.  My favorite is the old M1--I trained with it and we used 5 round clips; scored 95/100 with it on the record fire range.  I also qualified with the combat shotgun, and earned expert with the police special .35.  And I also fired expert with the M16 assault rifle, with the 20 round clips.  One of my favorite activities while on duty--firing my weapon.  But I don't need one in my home.  There is too much of a chance that it would be used against me or mine by accident than in defending my family.  What we need in this country is to have a little common sense.  Right--fat chance of that ever happening. 

[trdsf]

No, I don't belong to the NRA, I disagree with some of their positions, just providing the fact that everyday good people successful defend their life with a gun. 

Most self-defense shootings occur in homes, in all kinds of neighborhoods.

What are you going to do if it's your door that is smashed down, beg a strung out druggie for your life, or defend yourself?

Bash his fuckin' skull in with whatever comes to hand first -- be it my quarterstaff (which I know how to use and he almost certainly doesn't so it can't be turned on me very easily, you know, like a handgun can) or my cast iron cookware, and keep whaling on him until he stops giving me any shit.  'Cause if he's already got a gun on me, it wouldn't make any difference how many weapons I have in the place, I get shot if I reach for any of them.  And I'm assuming that you're not suggesting I should sleep wearing a shoulder holster, or react to every not-immediately-identified noise by showing up with a gun in hand.

[Johan]

Yeah, because somebody's door getting smashed down a daily thing that happens everywhere.

Of course not. Not every day, not everywhere. But it most definitely does happen and you really can't predict where or when. This was about 10 miles from my home.

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2015/02/listen_to_911_call_from_woman.html

This is NOT a high crime area. Not even close. It can happen anywhere. Doesn't mean the odds of it happening are 100%. But the odds aren't 0% either.

[hrdlr110]

No, you can defend yourself and save your life, or that of someone you love.  It happens thousands of times every year. 

However, the reverse happens far more frequently. 44 times it will be used in a suicide, or to kill a friend or family member for every 1 time it is used in defense. Now, by your own reasoning, you should be banned from posting on forums!

[TrueStory]

I get the gun thing.  We have a right to own a gun............... Do we need 100 round clips?

Probably not but I think you mean magazine not clip.

Do we need .50 Cal machine guns? 

Sort of a non question because there has never been a civilian 50 cal. machine gun.  For the sake of what is available, we probably don't need automatic weapons but it's very difficult and expensive to get one.  Also i'm not sure how many machine guns have been used in a crime, legal purchase of one if you can is around $15,000 or more, i imagine an illegal one would be much more than that.

Do we need uzi's? 

Based on their build quality I wish they would stop making them, but overal I don't see how most models are any different than any other entry level firearm.

Do we need 6,000 rounds? 

Some people like to target shoot a lot and compete and might go through this in a month.

Why do we lead the industrialized world in gun deaths?   

Suicide. 6 out of 10 deaths from a firearm are suicide.

[Mike Cl]

Probably not but I think you mean magazine not clip.

Well, True, I actually mean clip.  Even the DI's used the term "clip".  Regardless, I think you know what I was saying.  Nitpicking details does not change what I was saying.  Because the killings are suicide then that makes it okay?  Typical comments from a NRA shill; kind of like Christians who believe literally in the bible.  Are you one of those, too???

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Of course not. Not every day, not everywhere. But it most definitely does happen and you really can't predict where or when. This was about 10 miles from my home.

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2015/02/listen_to_911_call_from_woman.html

This is NOT a high crime area. Not even close. It can happen anywhere. Doesn't mean the odds of it happening are 100%. But the odds aren't 0% either.

And there's the teenager who shot his friend in the head because he was tossing pebbles at the kid's window trying to get his attention. The kid thought he was a burglar. (How, who knows.)

The kid decided to become judge, jury and executioner, willing to murder someone based on the fact that he was scared. (Remember, no actual home invasion took place.)

And before anybody starts, I've been an owner and shooter since 1965.