Ohio toddler finds mom's gun, shoots self.

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drunkenshoe

Quote from: Jason78 on June 13, 2015, 06:42:24 AM
How many more tragedies like this have to happen before guns are made with safety features to prevent this?

Not as long as they think that gun in that purse is the same thing like a pen in that purse.

And that they need to protect themselves with guns, instead of trying to deal with many actually preventable issues by other means. This is also something related to American culture and identity too.
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Mike Cl

Quote from: Jason78 on June 13, 2015, 06:42:24 AM
How many more tragedies like this have to happen before guns are made with safety features to prevent this?
Until pigs fly--and not before.  Unless you can sell the corporations that the NRA shills for the idea that not only can you charge for a gun, but you can add in the cost of a complicated safety feature.  Does anybody seriously think the corporations give a shit if you live or die??--Only that you spend the money.
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Johan

Quote from: Mike Cl on June 13, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Does anybody seriously think the corporations give a shit if you live or die??--Only that you spend the money.
True. They only really care that you spend money. But dead people don't spend money and I'm pretty sure they understand that. So in a way they do in fact give a shit, just not for the right reasons.
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Sargon The Grape

There should be a law preventing stupid people from owning guns. Clearly they are not killing themselves as we had originally planned.
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Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 13, 2015, 11:05:26 AM
There should be a law preventing stupid people from owning guns. Clearly they are not killing themselves as we had originally planned.
Then gun sales would simply dry up.  And we should prevent stupid people from having children---negative population growth.  But neither aint gonna happen. 
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Savior2006

Every time I see a story like this, I think back to the time I suggested on CF that people should keep their guns unloaded when kept on their person and nothing of note was happening. At least one person told me it was the most ridiculous thing she'd ever heard.
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aitm

Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 13, 2015, 06:46:00 AM
instead of trying to deal with many actually preventable issues by other means.


:think:

:whistle:
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Brian37

Just another "responsible gun owner".

I am sick of gun owners using "don't punish responsible gun owners".

This isn't about rights. This is about the makers and the NRA selling a climate of "no rules" to protect their profits and keep or expand their flooded market. This is not about legal vs illegal guns. This is about an industry that pumps out guns like candy.

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Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Savior2006 on June 14, 2015, 10:27:08 AM
Every time I see a story like this, I think back to the time I suggested on CF that people should keep their guns unloaded when kept on their person and nothing of note was happening. At least one person told me it was the most ridiculous thing she'd ever heard.
And did she expand on that to let you know what she meant or was it just a blow-off because that's what she says whenever an insurmountable reason challenge is presented to her?
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Quote from: Brian37 on June 14, 2015, 12:08:47 PM
Just another "responsible gun owner".

I am sick of gun owners using "don't punish responsible gun owners".

This isn't about rights. This is about the makers and the NRA selling a climate of "no rules" to protect their profits and keep or expand their flooded market. This is not about legal vs illegal guns. This is about an industry that pumps out guns like candy.


It's about dead three year olds who don't have to be dead.
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Johan

Quote from: Brian37 on June 14, 2015, 12:08:47 PM
Just another "responsible gun owner".

I am sick of gun owners using "don't punish responsible gun owners".

This isn't about rights. This is about the makers and the NRA selling a climate of "no rules" to protect their profits and keep or expand their flooded market. This is not about legal vs illegal guns. This is about an industry that pumps out guns like candy.
I think you're wrong.

I was going to write a much more detailed response but there's no point in arguing any of this again.



As for this woman in Ohio? Should face involuntary homicide charges and a long mandatory prison sentence. Facing 25 to life automatically anytime someone dies as a result of your gun not being stored securely is the only way you will ever get people to rethink the way they store their weapons IMO.
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drunkenshoe

Quote from: aitm on June 14, 2015, 11:09:46 AM

:think:

:whistle:

I wasn't talking about something in an individual level with that you silly. That woman has a gun in her purse because she thinks she can protect herself that way. She thinks she is being clever when she is being stupid.

By the way, I have never ever defended in Dr. Ruth thread that people shouldn't be careful. However reality doesn't work that way with sex. There is things callled one night stand, casual sex with strangers. 
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hrdlr110

Quote from: Mike Cl on June 13, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Until pigs fly--and not before.  Unless you can sell the corporations that the NRA shills for the idea that not only can you charge for a gun, but you can add in the cost of a complicated safety feature.  Does anybody seriously think the corporations give a shit if you live or die??--Only that you spend the money.

Two very profitable companies make huge amounts of money from the sale of a product that kills its user. Big tobacco, and the gun lobby/manufacturers.
Google this; "Jim jefferies gun control" he's hilarious and spot on!
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Mike Cl

Quote from: hrdlr110 on June 14, 2015, 07:01:16 PM
Two very profitable companies make huge amounts of money from the sale of a product that kills its user. Big tobacco, and the gun lobby/manufacturers.
Google this; "Jim jefferies gun control" he's hilarious and spot on!
You may not believe this, but I had not heard of, or from, Jim Jefferies before you posted this.  Thanks!  He is spot on about guns--and christians--and religion.  :))  Yeah, some youtube time coming up for me.
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Shiranu

Yeah, I don't see this type of thing ending anytime soon. Americans think guns are too cool.
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