WE NEED TO STAND UP FOR LIBERAL IDEALS, NOT ANCIENT RELIGIONS

[Solitary]

https://youtu.be/vln9D81eO60

[Munch]

Ben Affleck is one of the most retarded (forgive the term not implied to actual retardation) white washed idiots in the movie industry, he doesn't understand how the world works from his penthouses and overpriced houses. Fuck him, I'm not seeing the new batman-superman movies on principle of him being in it.

[Green Bottle]

Ben Affleck is one of the most retarded (forgive the term not implied to actual retardation) white washed idiots in the movie industry, he doesn't understand how the world works from his penthouses and overpriced houses. Fuck him, I'm not seeing the new batman-superman movies on principle of him being in it.

Totally agree, he's a fkn nobb, notice how he lets everybody speak but constantly interrupts Sam Harris who is the one talking the most sense.

[Solitary]

Ben Affleck won't even let him explain what he means. He shows that even some atheists are being too nice towards all religions that subjugate people to religious dogma and think it is all OK because it is divinely inspired when it isn't. Only the original teachings of Buddha aren't in his later philosophy, and he never thought they were, or he was a god like the Hindu's believe. He just thought that our desires were the cause of suffering, and my entire lifetime confirms that is true.   

[Munch]

I just love the look on Afflecks face, its like a 7 year olds level of frustration trying to argue with his parents.

[wbuentello]

I'm calling shenanigans on the mahrer, Harris side of the panel this time. Not because I disagree with then fundamentally but because I believe their characterization to be either intentionally intellectually dishonest or they just don't know any better. I suspect the latter.

[Mike Cl]

I'm calling shenanigans on the mahrer, Harris side of the panel this time. Not because I disagree with then fundamentally but because I believe their characterization to be either intentionally intellectually dishonest or they just don't know any better. I suspect the latter.

Afflecks main argument was his obvious anger.  That, too often, is what theists fall back on--righteous anger that is meant to sweep away any discussion.  Because they are righteously angry, then it is, of course, that they are right.  And the other people need to just shut up.  What shenanigans did Mahrer and Harris use?

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Oh come on. .ol Ben is the hunky actor who all the air headed, big titted girls wanna fuck.. How could he be wrong? 

[wbuentello]

Basically by saying that at least most Muslims are inclined to bigotry because if their religious scriptures.
Also I agree with you on afflecks anger not furthering his argument. However I disagree that righteous anger= wrong, if that was your implication.

[Munch]

Affleck can't debate well, people like him and Tom cruise have shown how they can follow (barely) acting direction, but as people they lack a certain cognitive function to hold real world debates.

[Mike Cl]

Basically by saying that at least most Muslims are inclined to bigotry because if their religious scriptures.
Also I agree with you on afflecks anger not furthering his argument. However I disagree that righteous anger= wrong, if that was your implication.

My intent was to say that the anger that Affleck displayed is the type of total argument many theists I have encountered have used.  No reasoning, just display that 'righteous' anger and that should then be sufficient for them to think they won the argument. 

[wbuentello]

My intent was to say that the anger that Affleck displayed is the type of total argument many theists I have encountered have used.  No reasoning, just display that 'righteous' anger and that should then be sufficient for them to think they won the argument.

Oh. Of course. I mean their whole belief system is based on faith so they haven't really been socialized to be cognitive.  There are exceptions but in general that's how it is because it's cultural



Maybe I said that wrong....

[Mike Cl]

Oh. Of course. I mean their whole belief system is based on faith so they haven't really been socialized to be cognitive.  There are exceptions but in general that's how it is because it's cultural



Maybe I said that wrong....

As I see it, if Big Ben had reasons for his beliefs, he should have listened to Harris' reasons and then offered his own.  Then a dialogue could have occurred that would allow both parties to express their thinking.  As it was, Big Ben came off a loose canon, one who cannot control himself and really doesn't really have any good arguments for his feelings.

[Solitary]

However I disagree that righteous anger= wrong

It is when used in a debate because it is a fallacy of appeal to emotion instead of evidence. He may have rational reasons for his opinion, but doesn't give any, and just shows his irrational side by his obvious anger.  Bill Maher is also angry, but shows why with evidence that is supported by the action, or inaction of Muslims towards the insanity written in the Qur'an, just like it is in all of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic Testaments, culture, and traditions. 

[Savior2006]

Afflecks main argument was his obvious anger.  That, too often, is what theists fall back on--righteous anger that is meant to sweep away any discussion.  Because they are righteously angry, then it is, of course, that they are right.  And the other people need to just shut up.  What shenanigans did Mahrer and Harris use?

I've been calling it "unrighteous anger" for the past year.