Drinking a cup of tea can add plausible evidence God exists

[St Giordano Bruno]

One would think you could get more "plausible" evidence drinking strong spirits, or even experimenting with hallucinogenic drugs.

[LexxM1985]

I'll save 9 pages of reading, but I bet that God still dosn't exist. Except of course Odin, God of War.

[robandrob1]

Let me extrapolate my argument from yours:

You can tell me how the sensation of taste comes about
You can tell me what happens on the molecular level
You can tell me how the system arose

BUT you can not tell me what that 'raw' emotion of taste is, and how neurotransmitters being detected = raw feeling.

These are the exact same arguments used by Vitalists, now rejected by mainstream scientists, to assert that that molecular activity and bodily functions can't solely account for life, hence living entities are fundamentally different from non-living entities and must have some raw non-physical vital life force that makes them different from non-living things.  A Vitalist would say that although we can explain reproduction, development, growth, metabolism, self repair, immunological self defense etc that doesn't account for the force of life itself.  This position would of course necessitate that something could possess all of the aforementioned properties yet not be alive, a position to me at least which seems patently absurd.

Regarding your own position about neurological activity not being able to account for consciousness or 'qualia', we can apply a similar argument.  If your being consistent, you should admit the possibility that some Humans who possess all the same physical processes, faculties and behaviors as you, are in fact not conscious because they somehow lack this "raw vital non-physical consciousness".  These zombies, indistinguishable from normal Humans, laugh when amused, eat when hungry, cry when they are upset, behave as though they love their children, conduct scientific experiments and engage in profound philosophical arguments about the nature of consciousness, however they are not in fact conscious, because by some freak of nature they don't have this mysterious " raw vital feeling".  Could we conduct a scientific experiment to prove who were the zombies and who were the real conscious people with raw feelings?  No, hence this 'raw feeling' becomes entirely meaningless and unverifiable.  

The belief in some vital essence of consciousness seems to me to be a prime example of approaching things completely backwards, it's like saying you can imagine a locomotive with it's engines at full power, all of it's parts working and fully operational, it's on the track, it's wheels are spinning and it's engines are chugging away but it's not moving anywhere because it lacks the "raw motion" that makes it move.

[NonXNonExX]

There are experts in the history of religion that believe many religions began with drug experiences.

[Rin Hato]

Let me extrapolate my argument from yours:

You can tell me how the sensation of taste comes about
You can tell me what happens on the molecular level
You can tell me how the system arose

BUT you can not tell me what that 'raw' emotion of taste is, and how neurotransmitters being detected = raw feeling.

These are the exact same arguments used by Vitalists, now rejected by mainstream scientists, to assert that that molecular activity and bodily functions can't solely account for life, hence living entities are fundamentally different from non-living entities and must have some raw non-physical vital life force that makes them different from non-living things.  A Vitalist would say that although we can explain reproduction, development, growth, metabolism, self repair, immunological self defense etc that doesn't account for the force of life itself.  This position would of course necessitate that something could possess all of the aforementioned properties yet not be alive, a position to me at least which seems patently absurd.

Regarding your own position about neurological activity not being able to account for consciousness or 'qualia', we can apply a similar argument.  If your being consistent, you should admit the possibility that some Humans who possess all the same physical processes, faculties and behaviors as you, are in fact not conscious because they somehow lack this "raw vital non-physical consciousness".  These zombies, indistinguishable from normal Humans, laugh when amused, eat when hungry, cry when they are upset, behave as though they love their children, conduct scientific experiments and engage in profound philosophical arguments about the nature of consciousness, however they are not in fact conscious, because by some freak of nature they don't have this mysterious " raw vital feeling".  Could we conduct a scientific experiment to prove who were the zombies and who were the real conscious people with raw feelings?  No, hence this 'raw feeling' becomes entirely meaningless and unverifiable.  

The belief in some vital essence of consciousness seems to me to be a prime example of approaching things completely backwards, it's like saying you can imagine a locomotive with it's engines at full power, all of it's parts working and fully operational, it's on the track, it's wheels are spinning and it's engines are chugging away but it's not moving anywhere because it lacks the "raw motion" that makes it move.

+1 great post would read again

[GurrenLagann]

Jesus, this jumped up half a dozen pages since I last saw it. Ô_o

[VaasMontenegro]

And the moral of this story is: There is no plausible evidence for the existence of God.

[BarkAtTheMoon]

One would think you could get more "plausible" evidence drinking strong spirits, or even experimenting with hallucinogenic drugs.

This is why I'm drinking Long Island iced tea to find evidence for this thread...you know, for science.

[Colanth]

One would think you could get more "plausible" evidence drinking strong spirits, or even experimenting with hallucinogenic drugs.

This is why I'm drinking Long Island iced tea to find evidence for this thread...you know, for science.

Unfortunately this thread doesn't exist, so you can just keep drinking.

[NonXNonExX]

My favorite non-evidence is "see this watch, see the stars, therefore god."

[NitzWalsh]

My favorite non-evidence is "see this watch, see the stars, therefore god."

A friend of mine told me the universe was all perfectly ordered and harmonious, so I asked for evidence and his evidence was that his wife smiles at him.

[BarkAtTheMoon]

My favorite non-evidence is "see this watch, see the stars, therefore god."

A friend of mine told me the universe was all perfectly ordered and harmonious, so I asked for evidence and his evidence was that his wife smiles at him.

The fact that a woman would actually smile at someone so dumb....well, he just might be on to something.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

My favorite non-evidence is "see this watch, see the stars, therefore god."

A friend of mine told me the universe was all perfectly ordered and harmonious, so I asked for evidence and his evidence was that his wife smiles at him.

The fact that a woman would actually smile at someone so dumb....well, he just might be on to something.

It's the devil, probably.

[WitchSabrina]

My favorite non-evidence is "see this watch, see the stars, therefore god."

A friend of mine told me the universe was all perfectly ordered and harmonious, so I asked for evidence and his evidence was that his wife smiles at him.

The fact that a woman would actually smile at someone so dumb....well, he just might be on to something.

Thinking the same thing.  Someone showing ANY appreciation for that level of stupid might have to qualify as divine intervention of some sort.

Wow........ all this time here.  And we've finally evidence that a god exists.  LMAO

[WitchSabrina]

As I thought.

You've literally made up something that nobody knows the meaning of and has no basis in reality out with your own incoherent ramblings.

Here, let me try:

You know Cracklin Oat Bran? Why does it taste so good? You can tell me why I would find the sense of taste particular to Cracklin Oat Bran pleasing, but what is the "raw" pleasure I get? There must be done higher entity that gives me the "raw" pleasure when I eat Cracklin Oat Bran.

**beats table with fist**   OMG   ROFLMFAO

Oh Rin........ I owe you one  (a funny).


ROFL