Porn, the middle east, and the age of Christianity vs Islam's age

[Shiranu]

To be honest, it made me sad :/

Figured that be the case. Well, just know some of us here know what it's like (though I feel where I live the fundamentalists are still someone moderate compared to yours), but on the other hand there are many great places where they don't have any power or say.

[Mike Cl]

I am studying Chemical Engineering. And its possible to move for university those sountries. They use Nuclear Santrals and they need us. But its hard to make a decision. And i dont have enough english to live i think.

Your English skill is good enough to get along.  And your skill would improve quickly living in a place that speaks it.  I guess the only real problem would be taking instruction in English. I don't know if you could follow along with what a professor was trying to teach if that professor is using English. 

[eylul]

Your English skill is good enough to get along.  And your skill would improve quickly living in a place that speaks it.  I guess the only real problem would be taking instruction in English. I don't know if you could follow along with what a professor was trying to teach if that professor is using English.

My department is in english already. Chemical english is more easy for me hehe. And as you said i need to do practise.

[eylul]

Figured that be the case. Well, just know some of us here know what it's like (though I feel where I live the fundamentalists are still someone moderate compared to yours), but on the other hand there are many great places where they don't have any power or say.

I am sure that you heard about Istanbul and you can be sure, in Istanbul everyday a lot of girls being raped. The day time earlier or later, doesnt matter they no need any reason to rape and tease. So you should be happy that you have a place people dont accept this bullshit. The guys who rape, when you look at their family all of their women have cover on their heads. But rape is normal. This is the way how they are muslims. Because in Turkey people believe in Islam %99. What a religion man!

[Mike Cl]

My department is in english already. Chemical english is more easy for me hehe. And as you said i need to do practise.

Wow!  If you can follow along with a chemistry teacher who teaches in English, you will have no problem communicating in English to anybody who understands that language.  I'm impressed!

[eylul]

Wow!  If you can follow along with a chemistry teacher who teaches in English, you will have no problem communicating in English to anybody who understands that language.  I'm impressed!

Well, I think I am coward and not brave enough :)

[Mike Cl]

Well, I think I am coward and not brave enough :)

I can understand that.  The unknown can be quite frightening.  You'll make a change when the time is right for you.  It will happen.

[drunkenshoe]

Middle-East is suck about porn. I wish that they could watch porn easyly. Because Turkish people try to fuck carboy, duck, donkey, cow etc.

Damacana. There was something like that in ekşi sözlük.

[drunkenshoe]

I am sure that you heard about Istanbul and you can be sure, in Istanbul everyday a lot of girls being raped. The day time earlier or later, doesnt matter they no need any reason to rape and tease. So you should be happy that you have a place people dont accept this bullshit. The guys who rape, when you look at their family all of their women have cover on their heads. But rape is normal. This is the way how they are muslims. Because in Turkey people believe in Islam %99. What a religion man!

Rape crime is pretty much the same in America or in Europe.

Exactly like in Turkey, raped women refuse to report it because they get to be blamed about what they were wearing or doing when they were raped. Like wearing mini skirts or get drunk somewhere public when the crime occurred. There are same kind of scandals in Europe where rapists get away with few years. Like what happened in France and England couple of years back. 

Esp. America is not somewhere life goes on how they see in American movies like most Turkish people think.    

[eylul]

Damacana. There was something like that in ekşi sözlük.

yeah we are still speaking about it.

[drunkenshoe]

yeah we are still speaking about it.

Sözlük yazarı mısın? Cevap vermek zorunda değilsin elbette, ama zaten burada bilen yoktur. Bizden başka bir tane daha Türk üye var yeni gelen o kadar. Genelde gelip gidiyorlar. Geçmişte de oldu bir kaç tane. Ben uzun zamandır buradayım.

[eylul]

Sözlük yazarı mısın? Cevap vermek zorunda değilsin elbette, ama zaten burada bilen yoktur. Bizden başka bir tane daha Türk üye var yeni gelen o kadar. Genelde gelip gidiyorlar. Geçmişte de oldu bir kaç tane. Ben uzun zamandır buradayım.

Yok hayir nerden cikardin?:)

[drunkenshoe]

Yok hayir nerden cikardin?:)

Oops, sorry! :)

[Odoital778412]

Islam from it's start was a violent "religion". It is still as violent as it was 1400 years ago.

Perhaps reformation is the wrong expression. Enlightenment would more desirable, however it is not possible, not for a long time.

In fact, reformation is happening right now, ISIS, Boko haram, Muslim Brotherhood, the Taleban, and the hundreds of other jihadists groups are reforming Islam to it's original form.

Wishing Islam to reform (in our meaning of the word) is a pie in the sky. Not going to happen.
Islam now is rich, strong, focused, and willing to fight and die for Allah.

Waiting for Islam to "mellow" is futile. It won't happen in many generations to come.
Much better is to study their theology, to understand what makes Islam what it is.

Unfortunately the west just doesn't want to know. But know it will. The hard way.

I agree, if you mean by englightenment, getting professing Muslims to essentially stop taking the historic teachings of Islam seriously, then I think you're correct.  That's about the only way that you're going to get away from the violence that is unfortunately inherent with the religion itself.  However, if you get professing Muslims to stop taking the teachings of Islam seriously, at some point it's going to become an absurdity to still carry the name, Muslim.  They would not actually have any significant relationship to actual Islam or being an actual Muslim if they are not taking its historic teachings seriously.  This is why people need to draw a distinction between professing Muslims and genuine Muslims.  Everyone to claims the name is not following the teachings of the religion, even just the basic core of the faith.

[Odoital778412]

From what you've said so far your no authority on what the nature of a religion is.

Well, I haven't claimed to be, but I would guess that I probably know significantly more about it than you.  I could certainly being wrong about that, but I doubt it.  In any case, it doesn't require that I be an authority on Islam.  These things are not hard to search out by doing even just a cursory study of the religion.  I would suggest doing more than simply doing a cursory study, but the point is to check it out and get some real knowledge and understanding.  Check out the Qur'an, the Sunna, the Hadith, etc...