How will you justify procreation in absence of God?

Started by dimaniac, March 21, 2015, 01:59:51 PM

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Aletheia

Quote from: dimaniac on March 21, 2015, 02:57:37 PM
For what? Passing on genes? In age of genetic engeneering? Why should your kids care about your fun?


Sigh... Genetic engineering is not foolproof or inexpensive. Natural reproduction is freely available and much cheaper. We also have instincts we inherited from all the successful breeders in our ancestry that encourages us to reproduce specifically or influences our behaviour so we reproduce accidentally.

Human beings are social animals with a group mentality. Failing to pay attention to other members of the group can leave a person susceptible to the actions of others. When you pay attention, you have a chance to influence. Social animals thrive due to their social cohesion - this instinct is strongest in children who are the most dependant in the group. So, yes, it serves the self-interest of the child to empathize on some degree with their parent.

Genetic engineering is not magic and our behaviours have been intimately moulded by our evolution. Do you understand the basics of evolution?
Quote from: Jakenessif you believe in the supernatural, you do not understand modern science. Period.

Aletheia

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Quote from: dimaniac on March 21, 2015, 02:59:15 PM
You have human brains to control those instincts. So justify your choice to procreate in absence of God.

No. We have brains that are influenced by those instincts. We do not have full control over those instincts. This is a common misconception. The lower the self-control of an individual, the higher the influence from instincts. The average individual is usually midway between intellect and instincts.

Sex drive is one of the most powerful instincts, and given the right conditions, this urge can overpower hunger and self-preservation.
Quote from: Jakenessif you believe in the supernatural, you do not understand modern science. Period.

dimaniac

Quote from: Aletheia on March 21, 2015, 03:05:09 PM
We also have instincts
We also have brains to fight those instincts. So why would atheist choose to procreate

QuoteSo, yes, it serves the self-interest of the child to empathize on some degree with their parent.
Parents impose death and risk of suffering on their children

dimaniac

Quote from: Aletheia on March 21, 2015, 03:07:45 PM
No. We have brains that are influenced by those instincts. We do not have full control over those instincts. This is a common misconception. The lower the self-control of an individual, the higher the influence from instincts.
No matter how dumb you are you can alway buy condom

aitm

I give this retard one more response and if it asks a question instead of answering one, its just another turd out the door.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Aletheia

Quote from: dimaniac on March 21, 2015, 03:09:48 PM
We also have brains to fight those instincts. So why would atheist choose to procreate
Parents impose death and risk of suffering on their children


Respond to my post properly before summarily dismissing it.

Parents rarely impose death unless the parent is mentally ill. Suffering is subjective - inability to play with something treasured is an inconvenience to an adult but agony to a child who has less self-control. Furthermore, parents offer love, affection, attention, approval, and various other affirmations to their children. Positive and negative reinforcement are used to rear a child.

It is in the parent's interest that the child thrives because we have evolved to have an interest in those related to us - specifically offspring. Some have more of this instinct than others - we often call it a "nurturing temperament."
Quote from: Jakenessif you believe in the supernatural, you do not understand modern science. Period.

Icarus

Quote from: dimaniac on March 21, 2015, 03:11:19 PM
No matter how dumb you are you can alway buy condom

Your parents already showed that you do need to have some wits to buy a condom.

Aletheia

Quote from: dimaniac on March 21, 2015, 03:11:19 PM
No matter how dumb you are you can alway buy condom

The dumb often have difficulty using a condom properly. Buying a condom does not ensure proper application or effectiveness. Dumber individuals also forgo a condom because they value the feel of sex more than their desire to not have children.
Quote from: Jakenessif you believe in the supernatural, you do not understand modern science. Period.

aitm

A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

dimaniac

Quote from: Aletheia on March 21, 2015, 03:15:58 PM
Parents rarely impose death unless the parent is mentally ill.
Every parent imposes death on their children since they all will die someday. Life is death sentence

aitm

Oh fuck it, I didn't like your answer either. Have a good life somewhere else.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Aletheia

Quote from: dimaniac on March 21, 2015, 03:25:08 PM
Every parent imposes death on their children since they all will die someday. Life is death sentence

Seriously? That's the best you got?

Wow, that sunk fast.
Quote from: Jakenessif you believe in the supernatural, you do not understand modern science. Period.

Mermaid

Quote from: dimaniac on March 21, 2015, 02:09:08 PM
why would your kids care about your genes and why would passing on genes matter when we already have genetic engeneering? Cloning yourself would be more logical
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Gawdzilla Sama

We've always reproduced in the absence of a god or gods.
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Solitary

Dammit! I missed all the fun. How can one justify procreation with a God should be the question. If there is no God there isn't any justification for it, just a reason for it----to perpetuate the species, the cosmic imperative.   :lol:
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